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Archetypes + Soul Agreements: A Map to Self-Healing and Purpose

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa • Season 4 • Episode 2

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✨ What if your hardest relationships are actually teachers, and your recurring triggers are maps guiding you toward healing? In this episode, we explore how Soul Contracts and Spiritual Archetypes form a living framework for meaning, growth, and purpose.

From the four universal shadow archetypes—the victim, saboteur, prostitute, and child—to their light expressions as warrior, magician, lover, and sovereign child, you’ll learn how to recognize and alchemize patterns without bypassing the hard stuff. 

You’ll discover:
🌙 Why archetypes are so powerful—they’re vivid, fast, and collective (everyone knows what “queen” or “victim” means)
🌙 How to shift from blame to accountability in seconds using archetypal awareness
🌙 The 12 houses of archetypes and where patterns show up—home, career, relationships, spirituality
🌙 How practitioners can use archetypes to speed up client intakes, reduce counter-transference, and hold a clean, compassionate healing field

Christine and Shantel share candid stories from their own spiritual trenches, including surprising spirit-guide dynamics and upper-world resistance, and how those challenges built unshakable confidence for client work that others might find “too heavy.”

We also dive into the bigger picture—how to be a sacred witness in a chaotic world, stay engaged without being consumed, and recognize when antagonists are actually pushing you toward sovereignty.

✨ Ready to map your own patterns and step fully into your light?
Join Shantel’s upcoming 8-week Soul Contracts + Archetypes Masterclass, starting October 9. Learn more and enroll here: https://moonrisinginstitute.circle.so/c/soul-contracts-archetypes/

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SPEAKER_00:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene, Isabel Wells, and Chantel Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week, we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy healing, and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom. Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners, we are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile, and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.

SPEAKER_01:

I was um doing a bunch of video editing for Chantel's upcoming masterclass, and I was like, damn, this is gonna be good. And uh so today we're gonna be talking about the topics of soul contracts and weaving them together with archetypes and how those two topics combined can really support you live out your best life and really from a very self-aware point of view. And so I'm this is one of my favorite topics that Chantel speaks to, offers wisdom on, because she she's so solid in it and it makes it makes so much sense that I I'm really excited to have her on today because I mean, even last night I'm like, which archetype am I in right now? And I'm like, what would Chantelle say?

SPEAKER_02:

No, these are absolutely two of my most favorite topics because it's so life-changing. And that, and so weaving them together, merging the two concepts together really does help us stand in our own strength and our own empowerment of who we are, right? So I find that we we go from like, it's like the process of going from blaming others to taking accountability to realizing nobody is, you know, at fault. They're just we're all learning and their lessons, their human lessons and soul contracts we came in to do. And so it's raising our consciousness and connecting with the earth space and what lessons it has to teach us, what we're here to do. And that's what I love about these two things. It's like our spiritual curriculum, our spiritual like school. But at the same time, this gives us the awareness of who we are and what we're here to do and why we act this a certain way, why we look at things a certain way, and how can we see each other through those lens. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and I think too, like for me, it's also recognizing that regardless of where you are, there's always a light and a shadow. And for me, that was really potent. Like, there's this idea that there, there's some something out there that this is perfectly all light without any kind of shadow, and it just does not exist. And every single archetype that you step into has its attributes and it has its underlying lessons and current to learn from and how to alchemize that, to be in your highest version of who you are. And so I just find um as you explore this journey, it gives you permission to really look at all the places and spaces within yourself that you've been hiding and shrugging away from. And when we can come into a space of that self-awareness of going, yeah, I might hold this archetype, but this is how that darkness can show up. And I'm not gonna be afraid of the dark anymore. Like, I think there's a lot of you know, idea that like darkness is bad, shadow is bad, like whatever it is. Like we have these connotations of like, let's just ignore that part of ourselves. And there's so much wisdom in her, there's so much, there's so much potent energy in her that when we can tap into that and recognize that it's all a blessing in a way, if things begin to shift in your life of like you let go of self-judgment because you can recognize that you're okay being all of who you are. I can accept and love all of who I am and both my like light and my shadow.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you get to embrace you and accept you and love yourself on a level that if you are shaming yourself for your shadow, right? Then there's a whole part of you that you're not loving, that you're not nurturing, that you're not caring for. And that's what's so important with the light and the shadow. It's like, yes, love through all the light, you know, but then when that shadow comes up, we need to love ourselves even deeper. We need to like take care of ourselves even more, you know, because we can't suppress and expect it to go away. It's never gonna go away. It will wait for us, it will show up when we least need it, when we least expect it, and in the most inappropriate times. So it really is like, why don't we just get to know that part of ourself now because we've already been hanging out and carrying it for years and years and years. Yeah. So it's really important. And I think that the more people are aware of this information and know how tangible it is and how fluid it is in your life, and just the moment you recognize it and you hook with it, you're like, oh yeah, I can see that part of myself. It is it literally is in seconds of your life that you're like, okay, I see this part and I'm gonna love on that. I'm gonna release it, whatever you feel you need to do in the moment, but then that brings your balance back in. So it's not like you have to do a long journey of working with your archetypes. You just need to know yours, and your archetype will tell you who you are and then shows up everyone else, you know? And everyone else is your mirror. So that's all always fun.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Well, and I think this comes to a really big picture vision of like, who am I? Why am I here? What's my purpose? Why did I choose this life? What lessons are available to me? Why do I track the people and certain events in my life and challenges and patterns? Like, like all of those things show up when we start talking about soul contracts and archetypes. And I think that's why they go, they blend so well together because you're really available to look at that big picture. And so there are so many people in the world who's like, why? What's the point of all of this? Why am I here? What is this all for? And it's like, oh, here, right here, right here. We have we have those answers, and it's all very specific to you. And uh, you should definitely check this out.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. It's literally like a book of yourself, right? We all want to know about ourselves. When anyone comes to goes and has a reading done, has any kind of session done, what are you there to do? You're there to learn about you. So this is another level, another layer of figuring out who you are, decoding your own self, your own life, and opening yourself up. So it is um, like we can bring in our karmic cycles, but then you know why. Why is that there, you know? Why do I tend to blame others? Why am I on the fence or I'm always holding on to resentment and anger? Well, this really helps you to unpack all that and to understand why. And it accelerates your healing and the evolution that we're here to do. Right. We're evolving people.

SPEAKER_01:

That I think that's it. It's like this understanding what that we have these unconscious patterns that are going on, and how do we bring the unconscious into the conscious? And this just puts it right out in front of you. Like, there's, I think that's why I love working with the archetypes, is like you choose what's like becomes alive in you as you're looking through all of the different archetypes.

SPEAKER_02:

There's there's really like, I think what's oh, I mean, there's probably well over a hundred different archetypes, but I think there's like 74, 78 in the deck in the book, but they're unlimited. And new ones are coming in because as our world evolves and changes and shifts, new archetypes are being created all the time. Like the networker that didn't exist 60 years ago. So now we have that. We have the social media influencer, you know. We have all these are all archetypes. So when you as soon as I say social media influencer, you know who that is. That's someone who's on the, you know, they got their camera, they're in the video, they're live on T on their social media all the time, right? So that is really how they start coming in because these are spiritual guides, these are it's energies that come in to help us lift as a people.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why it's so cool, is because it's a collective consciousness. We have this idea of what this version of when I say this word, what it means. And everyone has everyone has this idea, they could they can put a picture to it. So if I say queen, or if I say victim, or if I say whatever, whatever it may be, you can have this visual aspect come to you going, that's what that what that's what that means. We all have this knowingness inside. And so when you're going through looking at all these different archetypes and going, what's alive in me? What's feels true to me? And you're like, not that one, that doesn't fit at all. And then you're and then you read a card or look at the book and you're like, dang, that one matches. Maybe I'm comfortable or not comfortable with saying that that is me, but that is true, it's alive in me, right? And so you're literally sifting through the archetypes, and then that process, you're saying, This is who I am with my light, with my shadow. Oftentimes it's a shadow that's going to reveal, like, oh yeah, you're holding this one. You might not have ever seen the light version of it. It's like the dark shadow that you haven't had to really deal with or witness in a conscious way. And then you're reading the card like, oh, dang, that's my pattern. Shit. Okay, we're putting that in the pattern.

SPEAKER_02:

And then when you grow and evolve, so say you come in and you're the orphan child. So you're the child that had abandonment issues growing up, right? Then that orphan child will evolve into the seeker, the seeker of truth, the seeker of understanding. The seeker then becomes a sage. The sage carries the wisdom, and the wisdom, the sage then becomes the teacher. So when you're evolving with these, there's actually like who you can become, unless you say, I'm the orphan child and I'm stuck there for life. You know, people do that too. We have free will, we have the choice to stay in our victim state, but you don't have to. You can grow and evolve with that. And so as we further advance in our our awareness and our healing of ourself and those around us, we do. We we grow into more fullness of who we are based off of what we came in here to do. Right. And what are they here to teach us? Because they're our teachers. So if it's the orphan child, what are we learning? We're learning how to set boundaries, we're learning how to love ourselves, we're learning how to trust, right?

SPEAKER_01:

So I want, I'm gonna ask you a question. Like, I know, but like I want I want to hear your answer. So we have all these archetypes. Who chooses our archetypes? Why these archetypes? We do on a soul level. Tell me more.

SPEAKER_02:

So my understanding is on a soul level, is that now if you aren't familiar with this, um, if you go and you research Dolores Cannon, she when she was alive, she um she was a hypnotist, or yeah, but she was very spiritual in her work. And she've worked with thousands of people in her lifetime, and they all had the same stories. We would be on the other side, our soul guides would come, and and we would have this basically a soul meeting, a meeting of souls that would come together. So you do have to think of it on a much higher scale of thinking, right? You're thinking from the soul perspective. So it's like a meeting of the souls, and you come together and you say, Okay, I'm coming in, I'm gonna incarnate. And these are the lessons my soul needs to learn in this lifetime. Who wants to work with me? So then you have certain people that come, your parents, your children, your siblings, your best friends, your enemies, all come forward as a soul and say, I'll take this role, I'll take this role, I'll take that. On top of that, we have our guides. So our guides say, okay, well, I'll be the victim, and I'll be, you know, so these certain archetypes start coming forward to help you stay on your path in life. Because when we come in, we forget what our purpose is, right? So it's these energetic beings that come in to push us on our journey to keep us in alignment and to so we can learn the lessons and wake up. And the whole thing is to come back to remembering who we are and why we are here, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's a remembering of right, and so it's all about this going from this unconscious to this conscious embodiment of the fullness of who we are, and really recognizing that as these different players, characters, and our story come forward, which character are they in? Which archetype are they embodying? What is that character or archetype trying to teach us so that we learn the lesson and we can continuously evolve and grow and expand into the knowingness of who we are? Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

It is and it's so expansive. Like you can take the little bit of knowledge and just even a little bit planting those seeds right now, just a little bit is it big enough for you to have like a big self-awareness. But the more you dive into it, it's just so expansive, and there's so many layers because not only are you getting your archetypes, but they're in your house. So you're your zodiac will of 12 houses. So now they're in your each house. So you can see where are each one of my archetypes residing in and why is that showing up? Well, there you go. If you have the victim in your home, right? Well, yeah, you're probably gonna create a lot of chaos in your house. You're gonna feel like everyone's against you, you're gonna probably have chaos with your parents, you know, you're gonna have unhealthy relationships, toxic relationships. But then you heal the victim and you realize, oh, well, they're all just living at the conscious level they're at, too.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Well, you know, I'll I'll throw out my own personal experience with this. So in my house of spirituality, my is my saboteur. Yeah. And I am so frustrated with this because I know it. Like, I know I have this pattern that when a spiritual lesson is on the horizon, I'm gonna throw a freaking tantrum in the spirit world and drag my feet and like fight against it and all of the things. And I probably get violent in the spiritual world. And my story is so contrast to our students, to most people. Like, I just turn into a freaking two, three-year-old in the spirit world, and like I throw a freaking fit because I don't want to do it their way. And then I here I am, I'm watching, I'm watching Wednesday, you know, the Netflix series.

SPEAKER_02:

And I watched that last night, right?

SPEAKER_01:

I yeah. So, like, and here she is in season two, trying to find her spirit guide, and no one wants to be her spirit guide. And so it's like the principle from the previous season. I'm like, yeah, that's how it works for me. Like, my spirit guide does not want to work with me. I am a pain in the ass. Like, we throw, we throw down and we get in fights all the time. Like, that is my relationship with him. And I'm like, this is so not normal. And then I look at my chart and I go, and it freaking makes sense. This is my thing, this is why I'm sabotaging in the spiritual world. Like, I get it, I get it. Still can be frustrating, but I'm glad that what was once in my unconscious is now in my conscious, so I can come to terms with it and work through it.

SPEAKER_02:

Because think about how much suffering that would be for you if you didn't know. If every time you came back from interacting with your guides, you didn't have this information, and you're like, why am I always fighting? This isn't healthy. You would be going into blaming yourself. There'd probably be a lot of self-punishment. I'm not I'm not good enough, I'm not this. All these negative thoughts would come forward, right? Yeah. But then when you see it, you're like, oh, that totally makes sense. Right. It totally makes sense.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like I've had spirit guides possessed by other entities. Like, I mean, it's been a freaking mess in my spiritual world that is so abnormal than anyone I've ever spoken to before. And it makes it really real. And um, because it's not all light and rainbows. And at the same time, like I can step back and see why things are happening the way they are to teach me lessons of what I need to learn and lean into where can I find the peace and calm within that? Where can I find the trust and surrender in that, knowing that this is my underlying habitual nature of the saboteur in my spiritual world?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you know, and then with soul contracts. So the the archetypes came for me later, but with soul contracts, even though I didn't have the conscious like language for it, I knew throughout my life, like this is big stuff. Like I'm going through so much in my life, like this has to mean something on my spiritual level, right? And then it all did because all the experiences I went through got me to where I am right now. So if I didn't go through a lot of that, I wouldn't even be able to help the amount of people I can help. I wouldn't be able to provide a service, you know, right for what I do.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and I think that's why I have my spiritual world the way it is, like my house with the saboteur in it, is because I have seen all kinds of shit go down in the spiritual world. I've fought my wars, you know, like I've done the things, but so when I need to step up for my clients or my students in the spiritual world, like none, I just don't feel like I could possibly be surprised anymore. Right. So like I can step in and be their warrior, I can be their their um, I can be the fullness of who I am, knowing that like I have the power to navigate the spiritual world in in a way that most people can't, right? And so, and and teaching students how to find their own empowerment stories if they run into what feels like dark, heavy energy in the spiritual world. Like I'm like, oh yeah, been there, done that. Like, here's what we're gonna do. Like, I'm it's very is it can be very easy for me to to move into that space because of the experience I've had, right? So it's like it all comes back to, you know, having this conscious awareness now, seeing the the life purpose in it. Like I do demonic depossessions and home energy clearings and crossover spirits. Like I do all this, like really what some spiritual healers would think as like heavier work. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's not, it's cool, it's not a big deal. Like this isn't hard for me, like it doesn't scare me, right?

SPEAKER_02:

And so you created that that contract at on a soul level for you to come in and be able to do that because there was a whole purpose that's gonna lead you to the platform in which you're on and where we're at, right? So, my in my spirituality, I have the healer. Well, I wasn't the healer growing up in my you know 20s and 30s. I was like the wounded hero. I was the saboteur, I was all of that. I could even, you know, I was the destroyer probably. But what ended up happening was as all of those life experiences started healing, the healer in me came in. That archetype showed up. It was activated because I started healing the aspects of myself that then can say, and now you are ready. Now you're ready to step into a healer, to become an energy healer, to be a Reiki practitioner, all these things that I do now. Yeah, but it came into like one Sagittarius, which is my zodiac, my spirituality, the healer. I mean, that's three right there in my primary, um, in that one pie, in that one chart. And it's just so amazing when you look at it from this side of the view back to all of it. I'm like, man, it all makes so much sense. It all makes so much sense.

SPEAKER_01:

Chantel taught me this about a year ago. That was the first time she did my chart, it was about a year ago. And you know, it's what is also coming to mind right now is my, I don't remember which zodiac sign it is that's your highest potential. I don't remember which your 10th house. My 10th house. I I think so. It's my and that one is the exorcist, it's the shaman, right? Like, so of course, all these things come together, and now it's like, ah, I okay, I see, I see what's happening here, why these different art archetypes are showing up in different houses with different attributes to create this soul, like to really come forward with your soul agreements, lessons, and learnings, right? And so when you can have that, you can really start to have this recognition within yourself of like, this is who I am, this is my purpose, this is why these things make sense, and this is why these types of relationships don't work for me, or they do work for me because I'm gonna honor who I am and I'm gonna learn. So, by having this self-awareness, you can really start to learn how to diffuse conflict, how to how to have compassion in your relationship. It really shows you when you need to release a relationship with love. Like, how do you let that go in a healthy way? Like it's all about evolving instead of repeating. And I really have learned so much in the last year from working on soul contracts and archetypes with Chantel over those last year. I really think it was that that was the first time we did it was when I visited Hemet, California, where you're at a year ago.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. And you know, and there was that moment where you're like, I don't want this card, I don't want this archetype, and it was the queen, and you were like fighting it, and then in the end you kept going, no, it's these two, it's these two, and then you went back to it and you're like, uh, it is the queen.

SPEAKER_03:

But can't I please have the priestess?

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I want the priestess. Can I please have or the empress? Like that feels much more, and you're like, and I'm like, no, it's fucking queen. Okay, fine, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_02:

But it makes so much sense in the way your personality comes through, yeah. So that's why it's like charting your your astrologic or your um archetypical will is very much about sitting with each energy, with each archetype and tuning into the energy of them and seeing how they have played out throughout your life. It's not because you want it, it's not because you're like, oh, I like what that one represents. No, it's really to the core of who you are and seeing the patterns.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm laughing because I had um, I was in midwifery school when I was 20 years old, like, and one of my co-midwifery students at school nicknamed me Queen Christine. Like sometimes look, like it's so funny when you can see your past and be like, yeah, she's been showing up for a while, right? And that idea that I'm going to sit on a throne in my sovereignty and delegate and rule. There was something about that that I was like, I don't want to be that person. I don't want to be seen that way. And yet it is who I am. And it's part of my archetypal wheel that says, How can you do that benevolently? How can you do that compassionately? How can you do that with as much light as possible? And you can see where she shows up when she's not in her light, and it's it's a ruler, it's almost dictator-like, and it's like, this is the way it is, we're gonna move forward this way, and sometimes it's not compassionate because sometimes rulers don't have the grace, they aren't, and it's like, oh dang, you know, and so I think this is where there's so much availability to learn because when you can have that awareness of like, yeah, I can see her how she shows up in that um in that shadow and in her light, and then showing up in different ways for different areas, it's like I I get it, and she's got so much responsibility, she's got so much responsibility to hold for the whole kingdom, right? And so um there's a lot of weight on her shoulders to to get it right and to and to be able to move things forward in a healthy direction and to to create the peace and the realms and you know, all these things. And sometimes it it's it's hard. It's hard to hold both. And knowing that that's in my archetypal wheel, it's like I'm really glad that I have the awareness and didn't deny myself that is part of who I am.

SPEAKER_02:

Absolutely. Because then you can see how it's in alignment with who you are and who you're becoming and what you're here to do. And so it's not having judgment on it and it's not ego, you know, and I think it's the ego that says, no, I want this one because I like what it means and represents versus saying, no, speaking truth to yourself. This is what I have. Like I have the bully in mind. That one's not a fun one to have, right? You know, but am I now? No, but have I been? Yes. And so I can see and and I work with that side of myself to make sure that that version of me doesn't show up. So that's that self-awareness that is so important to have because you cannot just go out and be bullying society. You gotta know that you're standing in your power and you're coming in and you're finessing that side of yourself. You know it's there because the shadows are a warrior, but doesn't mean it's gonna come through like a bull in a china shop, you know? And that's that was my earlier younger years is like I'm here, ah, and now I'm like, no, that I can tame that, I can finesse that part of me, and it doesn't show up like that. So I've really learned what is in alignment with who I am and where I'm at, and also like bringing in our own conscious awareness, it helps eliminate a lot of the chaos, and that's where I am too with my family, is I can really diminish a lot of chaos right now where I couldn't do that before. I didn't have the ability to do it. But now it's like I noticed even a conversation I had the other day, a quick conversation, but um, I saw that it was like my mom needed to hear that she was okay. And before that part of me might not have given that to her, but instead I flipped it around and was like so compassionate with her that she felt all like, oh yeah, and let me tell you about this and this. And it opened her up to share even more. And I'm like, okay, mom, yeah. You know, but it really does a lot of healing. It's it heals your relationships, it heals you, it just gives you a broader perspective on life.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, and I think with that broader perspective, too, it's like even as Reiki practitioners, as shamanic healers, whatever it is, whatever you're practicing, when you can see which archetype your clients are showing up in, that can that can really help support their healing and transformation to go, this is what they're embodying right now. They're embodying the victim, they're embodying the whatever the bully. Like I remember having a client probably 10 years ago, and literally we were doing, she had the the bully archetype. She had gone through middle school and high school by literally being the bully. And here I am as her practitioner who had been severely bullied in middle school, and I'm holding space for her to sham do a shamanic journey to meet her bully to see how she could be healed and loved and transformed. And you know, as the practitioner, how do you hold space for that? Right? Like, how do you stand in your power and your truth and not let your victim come out to go, nope, I'm right now, I am the healer, I am the practitioner, I am whatever archetype is going to help hold space for the transformation for your clients, right? So having this awareness of soul agreements, of soul contracts, of your archetypes is it helps healers and practitioners and facilitators understand group dynamics and individuals. And it's just, I can see how it shows up in so many areas of my life, whether it's for myself, for my kids, for my clients, and it Just the more we can bring from the unconscious into the conscious so that we can be aware, we're making a choice. Like it comes to a free will choice of like, I am willing to look at my stuff and I'm willing to make changes and I'm willing to say yes to all of me, of who I am, self-acceptance and recognizing like there's lessons and learnings in all of this.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, let's talk about that for a second from the per the um perspective of the part um the practitioner. When you know this information and you're doing intake with your clients and you're doing the integration at the end, and you can be like, oh yeah, okay, I see the victim, I see the wounded child, I can see this aspect, this, this, this. It you don't need to sit and have months of conversation. You literally can just dial it in like that. And then they're like, whoa, how do you know me so well? Well, because I can see your archetypes, I see where you're at, how you're processing it, what you're transmuting, what you're not transmuting, what you're still stuck in. So, from a practitioner point of view, man, this is on point information. It's it is really powerful. And when you do the healing, like you were saying, for yourself, you get to show up as that space holder for whatever walks through your door. And you're not gonna be triggered by their triggers because you already healed your triggers. So now you just get to hold the space, which is extremely powerful as practitioners. Right. So know that this information plays on both the personal healing as well as advancing the practitioner's point of view.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. And I think that's where, you know, like I can use this every day for myself, but wow, what a powerful facilitator I can step into when I bring this into my client sessions. Yeah. Right. Yeah, it's just uh it's just it's really powerful work. Like I'm just I'm like, I love it. I really do. I'm just like, I'm over here playing in the space all the time because I'm like, oh, look who's showing up now. Like, but it's not, it's very often that I'm like, where's my book? Where's my sheet? I need to look at that again. And um because there's times in your life where things get hard or you're kind of down on yourself or whatever it may be. And then having that time for self-reflection of going, what's going on here? And how can I step? How can I work through this? Where do I need support? And when you can can you be in that space, guess what? You're gonna help your clients and students on such a deeper level. If you can, you can take the time for yourself to do it first.

SPEAKER_02:

And I think right now, especially with for a lot of us, you know, like talk about like um shamans, like I don't have that background, but that archetype is so alive in me. I have the shaman heart. Like, you know, you have the shaman heart, like we have this. So it's the archetype that is alive in us that stepped in and said, Okay, you will walk this journey, this path. And everything has aligned us to it. To you can't even deny it. The heart strings are pulled, the soul contracts are being played out, you know, and there's nothing we can do at at some point to deny it, unless you are in true denial of self. Then that's you know, you're working with the beginning aspects of what we're talking about. But when you get beyond that, you can say, Yeah, this is why this is showing up in my life. Because there were times where I'm like, where did this come from? And and then it was just like, Oh, there it is, that's why. Yeah, yeah, because I agree to it. I'm here to do the work. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, we're here to do the work. Because when you live in this consciousness of recognizing where those cycles, those patterns are coming in, it's like you can see through the chaos.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So tell me more about how that works for you in your world.

SPEAKER_02:

I think that's where they're um the sacred witness comes in. So, like with everything that's going on on our worldly platform right now, we can be, we can either we have the choice. We have the choice to dive in and be in the chaos of it, emotionally attached, mentally attached, financially, we speak on it, which then whatever we speak, the universe gives us. So then, you know, if we're talking scarcity, if we're talking war, if we're talking famine, whatever, we will see that in our world, in our life, in our personal world, right? But if you can become the witness of it and be the balancer of offering love and compassion to what's happening, and in your world, you're working on that, and you're talking about healing, you're talking about um, you know, abundance and and that the world itself is wakening, that's what you start to see. That's the light that you are working with. Those are the archetypes you're working with. That's the soul contract that you're working with. So for me, I it's like I can I can step back and not be involved in the chaos because I can see the other side of it. And what is it gonna do? How is I how am I gonna help anyone if I'm so sucked into the chaos that I can't help? I can't help myself, can't help nobody. So then me, I'm like, come, let's let's gather, let's have a circle, let's talk about things, let's do some healing work, let's drum it out. Whatever needs to show up, that's what shows up. And then people show up in their light because you're giving a platform for that versus the shadow when everyone wants to and you gossip on it, and and then you leave feeling so freaking heavy, and you're like, fuck, what am I doing? You know, life is heavy, and then you carry that burden when you actually can be the one that's here to help Hilda and transmute that energy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's it can be a lot walking through this world, and I know I've said it before, but you know, we didn't come to Earth for a vacation. We came for our soul agreements, we came for these contracts, we came to learn these lessons, and the world is shaped to kind of poke at that so people will wake up, right? Like it's gotta be in the shadow, it's gotta be on the dark side, it's gotta be on this heavier end so that people can bear witness to what how they're contributing to it.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, 100%. And right now, if you're looking out there, there's millions of people standing up, millions of people gathering and and in love, you know, because people want change, people are ready for change, and that's what we're here. We're shifting it. We're we are watching it, we're here to do it. We're, you know, and so depends on what channel you tune into, right? Yeah, so pay attention. So look for the lighter version of what's going on out there because the more you do that, the more you're gonna lift up your own spirit and connect with others.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah, yeah. So we get to like step into this place of embracing what's emerging within you because there is in that self-awareness through all of it, you can be able to step in your full embodiment of your power, of your passion, of your purpose, of your mission, and really start acting that out. And not everyone's missions are easy, you know. Like, I feel like there are some people who just like, oh yeah, this is my mission, is is spreading the love and light, and I'm just gonna stay like, and I'm just like, well, lucky you can do your own life, right? Like, I'm not gonna deny them their truth. And I'm like, there's a lot of people who come in with missions to be to be the saboteur, to be the these heavier, darker archetypes, because they're the ones who are waking up everyone around them, so they're in a position of self-sacrifice in a in a timeline because by them being in their almost like their nastiness, right? Then everyone around them is having to create boundaries, right? So it's like sometimes, sometimes there's it, there's a witnessing of my I can accept my life and where I'm at with the relationships that I have my world, knowing that some of the people in my life came here to choose to be my teacher, and the way they're teaching me is through their darkness, through their for their antagonistic actions, through their shadow side, and they're embodying it so damn well that I can on the surface, I just want to, you know, go to battle. And then when I real realize what's going on and going, what are they trying to teach me here? My I don't need a battle, I need boundaries, right?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't need that is such, and that's it. That's the biggest question is what are they trying to teach me? What is this person here to teach me? What is this mirror? We're all a reflection of each other. So it's like, what do you have? Like if they're if you have envy towards someone, why? Why do you feel that right? It's because they you they have in themselves what you want in yours, right? Right. So you have to look at it. Like either you can use them as an inspiration and say, you inspire me, and I want to, you know, walk that kind of walk. So I'm gonna go and build that for myself, or you can sit in the shadow and have the envy of it where you're you have that evil eye and you're gonna be more negative and you're gonna shoot that negativity and you're not gonna build it for yourself. So it really is finding the balance. So when you have someone like you're saying, that's gonna be narcissistic, or they they come in and you're they're antagonizing you, is to wake you up and to force you into your own triggers of why am I still being triggered by this? Yeah. And that's an opportunity to do the work for yourself and to be able to close the chapter on that, to release it, to close the door and say that no longer aligns with me. And I get to shift and pivot and move this way in life now. Yeah, change the timeline, collapse the old timelines. And and when you we do that, yes, we are embodying and embracing our highest version of ourselves, and we can continue to grow from there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Okay, on that note, yeah, I know that you have got an amazing upcoming masterclass, and it's not like anything we've done before because it's it's long. I mean, it is it's long and it's on purpose. Like I feel like to really grasp all this information to really deep dive on it so that you can really utilize your archetypes and transmute and and step into your fullness power. We needed this length. And I've I've I've edit some videos and like prepared the back end with Chantel. And I'm like, this is gonna be damn good. So will you let our listeners know like what you're doing, what's what's what's coming up, when are we doing it, all the things?

SPEAKER_02:

So we're definitely um I'm offering an eight-week class, master class that starts October 9th. And so um we will meet once a week, but you're gonna have all your pre-recorded videos to watch. And during this eight-week course, we're gonna deep dive into our soul contracts. I'm gonna share my contract with you. You're gonna map your own contract, um, and then we're going to be able to understand why and how that happens. And then we're gonna move into our archetypes. So, our four collective archetypes are the victim, the saboteur, the prostitute, and the child. And we're gonna work with each one of those for one full week. So you're gonna have, you're gonna be observing it, you're gonna witness it in yourself, you're gonna transmute it within yourself, you're gonna integrate all of that, and you're gonna stand in the power of its light version, which is the warrior, the lover for the prostitute. Um, so it's the warrior, the magician, the lover, and the sovereign child. So as we work through each one of these, we're gonna go through meditations to meet our journey and journey to our guides. So you can actually meet the victim and yourself, and you're gonna meet the magician and yourself. So you can really um, this is tangible work. This is like live class in action, happening in your world. You're gonna work with them, you're gonna keep track of everything that you've done. There's homework, there's a workbook, there's journey prompts, there's all kinds of stuff going on in it just so that we can learn how to work with ourselves.

SPEAKER_01:

One of my favorite things with the schedule itself is that there's a break over Thanksgiving. So it's like you learn all of this stuff, and it's like, now go deal with family and see how it all shows up, and then we're gonna meet the week.

SPEAKER_02:

And that's totally on purpose. So you get two weeks over Thanksgiving to really integrate. And when you come back, it's integration, like we're doing the work over that period. So when you go to family, you're gonna have all these tools to recognize yourself, your triggers, and your family members and go, oh my gosh, I never looked at us this way. And then you can work with you and say, I can alchemize this, set yourself up with it and be successful. So you can sit at the table with your family and not feel like you're that 10-year-old or 15-year-old kid with mom and dad, right? Now you get to be your adult version.

SPEAKER_01:

I just think it's like the craftiest way to put this all together because when you have soul contracts, it's with your family, right? And so it's like everyone, like you will be able to see the characters at Thanksgiving and going like, yeah, I know who everyone is here, like I know how they're playing their part and having that self-awareness. It's just gonna be uh like to me, I'm like that that's just gonna be a little mind-blowing. Like, I just can't.

SPEAKER_02:

I do, I love that because you might think you're the most hilled person, but then you go hang out with family and you go, dang. Yeah, you're going to be like, I'm so wounded. What's going on? What happened? Who am I? And you leave thinking, like, what the heck just happened in there? How did I lose my shit?

SPEAKER_01:

Right. I know. And it's like every holiday season, we really try to put out material that's like how to how to heal through the holidays or how to stay in your your authentic truths during the holidays. Like we have all these like podcasts and different things that we do during the holiday season. It's like, but this is what they need, right? Like a one-time podcast isn't gonna do it. This is what they need to really be able to go into the holiday season feeling clear and confident and knowing who they are so they don't waver, right? Like you might waver, but you're gonna be able to come right back into alignment.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So it is eight weeks long. You get me for um 90 minutes to two hours once a week, and then we go through all of a QA. We go through um the presentation that you watch. We, like I said, we do a guided meditation, a guided journey to go up to the upper world and to meet your archetypes. Um, you're gonna map out your own. We're going to um chart your own zodiac. So your archetypical will, we're gonna chart four of them. So you're gonna have four out of your 12 completed. You're gonna see really where you are, and I'm gonna be there to support you. So, not only that, you're gonna be supported, you're gonna have your own chat in your own group with your cohort and all of that. So it's to me, it's an amazing way to do it. And I don't know if there's anyone else out there that's doing it quite in the way that I'm doing it. No, I've taught this several times now, and people walk away like, dude, it's power, and it's changing their lives. And that's the thing, it changes your life. If you take this information and you apply it, it's gonna change you. Right. That's because it's coded in you to wake up to your archetypes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, right, it's a remembering, yeah, it totally is, and I think it's changed the way I perceive the world. The more I get into it, the more I want more. The more I just want more. I want more. Like I read the books, I've done the things, but now I'm like, oh, but Chantel's course is gonna be so hot. It's like I just I'm really excited for it. So we will get that information out into all of the places and spaces here short shortly. If you're listening to the podcast, you be sure to check the show notes. We're gonna have the information to sign up there. We start October 9th. So there is a time to sign up. This is gonna be a juicy, rich, enlivening, aligning, eight-week masterclass. So if you're interested and you have questions, feel free to reach out to Chantel. She can answer your questions over on Facebook Messenger. You can email us over at mystics at moonrisinginstitute.com. We're here to support you. We love you all. We thank you so much for showing up, for listening, for doing the work, for getting curious, for bringing what's in the unconscious into the conscious, from recognizing what your shadows are and loving all the aspects and parts of yourself. Like we're here for all of it. So thank you, thank you, thank you so very much. And until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Thanks, everyone.

SPEAKER_02:

Thank you. Bye, everyone.

SPEAKER_00:

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