Wisdom Rising

Living Wild: Reclaiming Sacred Living and Personal Power

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa • Season 3 • Episode 8

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What would happen if we broke the rules, reconnected with our true selves, and lived life on our own magical, divine terms? This is the question Christine and Isabel explore in this soul-stirring conversation about reclaiming our wildness and living authentically.

We dive deep into society's expectations that force us to fragment ourselves – showing only certain parts in certain spaces – and how this disconnection creates profound suffering. From having to take "hidden" nervous system regulation breaks at work to feeling we must mask our emotions to be accepted, we've all experienced the pressure to shrink ourselves to fit into boxes we never chose.

This episode is an invitation to reconnect to the wild within. Along the way, we explore:

  • Reconnecting with your true self and living authentically
  • Breaking societal rules and reclaiming personal wildness
  • The impact of societal expectations on self-fragmentation and suffering
  • Hiding emotional and nervous system needs to fit into social norms
  • Reframing divine feminine and sacred masculine energies as universal, complementary forces
  • Embracing full emotional expression, including the shadow self
  • Personal stories of defying expectations and embracing vulnerability
  • Small acts of self-expression as revolutionary change
  • Reprogramming the mind to believe in the possibility of living freely

Are you ready to remember who you were before the world told you who to be? Tune in now!

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Speaker 1:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene, isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week, we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy, healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Hello, hello and welcome. Welcome back to another amazing conversation here on the Wisdom Rising podcast. In today's episode, you'll join Christine and I for a conversation on reclaiming our wildness and living wild, reclaiming pleasure, power and inner balance. What would happen if we broke the rules, reconnected with our true selves, and lived life on our own magical? We broke the rules, reconnected with our true selves and lived life on our own magical, divine, empowered terms? These are the questions that Christina and I have been asking in our own lives this year as we're exploring what it means to live a life that feels sacred, connected and beautifully human on all levels, in all emotions, in all ways that we show up. This conversation is going to take us deep into topics like the power of embracing our sensual, five sensory human experience, how we can reclaim pleasure and joy, how we can balance and harmonize the divine, feminine and sacred masculine, and how even those concepts have actually become a little twisted and misunderstood in today's culture. We'll also share about how Christine and I are breaking out of societal expectations in our own life and reclaiming the right to show up, to be vulnerable, to be human, to be fully ourselves and to live a sacred life. So this conversation, this episode today, is really for everyone who is feeling the call to break free from all of the shoulds, from all of the expectations, from all of the pressure, and reclaim our right, as spiritual beings, having a human experience, to be human, to be here, to be now, to live wild and free and in love and compassion for ourselves and others, and find that base of sacred permission to be exactly who you truly are. So in today's episode we're going to cover all of these topics and more, and know that these topics, this energy, is exactly what we're bringing into our Reclaiming the Sacred Self Masterclass.

Speaker 1:

It's a five-week masterclass designed to help you reconnect with who you truly are, before society, before your parents, before whatever it was told you, who you were supposed to be. So, through nervous system and energetics training and real talks about sensuality, sexuality, creativity, safety, inner power, embodiment, practice all of these learnings combined with this sacred space that feels more like a sacred sisterhood, a support group, a circle where we can all come together and share and reclaim ourselves and show up however we're showing up, and so we've really been calling this like a five-week sacred circle. It's an invitation for the women in our community to sit together in circle, to show up as themselves, to release what needs to be released, to call in what needs to be called in, to learn the tools to regulate and resource without abandoning yourself, to come home to yourself and embodied, honest conversations about, about what it means to be a human, to be a woman all of these things and more. So, if you're interested in joining this masterclass and you're listening to us live, know that we did decide to push out the start date for um for this masterclass, so we'll now start on set on July 28th and if you're listening to this after July 28th, 2025, know that the recordings, the container that we're making will be available to purchase on your own time and move through the circle, move through the learnings, sit in the energy and the conversations on your own time as well. So the link to that will be in the show notes.

Speaker 1:

And, of course, don't forget to join us in our Moon Rising Shamanic Mystics Facebook group, which is our larger sacred circle community of over 4,000 amazing individuals walking this path together. We would love to see you there. We'd love to see you on our email list so you can stay up to date on everything that we're doing, and follow us on YouTube for the video components, the video versions of these podcast episodes. And, of course, don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so that you can get access to new episodes sooner and share it with everyone you know so that we can create this web of light around the globe. But with all of that said, let's go to today's episode.

Speaker 2:

Welcome, welcome back everyone to another Whispers of Wisdom. Today we're going to be talking on living wild, reclaiming pleasure, power and inner balance, and, oh my God, what a juicy topic. And, like Isabel has said before, that, we are really spending this time in the summer to talk on our most juiciest topics that are alive for us today, and so this is definitely coming to the surface for both of us and I'm really excited about this upcoming conversation. So thank you all so much for tuning in, giving us a listen and following along.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely so.

Speaker 1:

I am really excited for today's topic and I kind of want to just kick us off by talking about how we named it with the living wild, because it's something that I know Christine and I have both really been leaning into in our daily lives.

Speaker 1:

And it was so funny because I was on Instagram this morning and I was thinking about the topic and I saw this reel come up by this somatic therapist, because I've been really into the somatics lately and learning all of the tips and tricks and following creators who have expertise in that area, and there was this one creator who she posted a video and it was how to do a somatic reset without like in the office if you're stressed without your colleagues knowing what you're doing, which is really lovely idea, right, the ability to take a step back to bring yourself back into balance, kind of resource and regulate your nervous system while you're feeling stressed in a place. That brings up stress for a lot of us. But what stuck out to me from that reel is the fact that our work culture is so stigmatized around this stuff that we have to do it in a way that nobody knows what we're doing.

Speaker 2:

And we have students.

Speaker 1:

we have to hide it. And we have students come into our courses all the time saying things like you know, I feel so great when I'm at home, but then I go to work, or then I go to, you know, take my kids to school and I have to be with the other moms, or whatever it is Like. I have to go out into the world and suddenly I feel so dysregulated, so disconnected. I feel like I have to hide what I'm doing. I can't find time to catch my breath and it's like that to me. Is that first red flag that we we really have come so far from our roots of being able to live wild, and what that really looks like? So, Christine, what does that look like for you when we say living wild?

Speaker 2:

Well, it's this moment of I can be truly who I am, wherever I'm at. Like you know, I think that and I think this is all of you like, not this fragmented section of of this is my happy face. Like, I think there's also so much conversation these days around neurodivergent people having to mask, and I'm like I think we're all masking, you know. And so what if the mask wasn't on? What would that look like and would? And so what if the mask wasn't on? What would that look like and would? Could you, would you be able to feel safe and liberated in all of these different locations, no matter what emotions are showing up, right, like I think that's where, um like, for example, here I am, uh, at this, uh, butte Montana, montana folk festival. There are thousands upon thousands, like we looked it up this morning and there's said to have over 175,000 people at this festival. Wow, you could feel that on Saturday, like, I don't know if that number is actually accurate or not, but according to AI, that's the number. And if y'all know me, like, me and crowds don't always go well together, and there are moments where I am so immersed in the music that's being presented and I'm feeling so much into the artist that I shed a tear. You know, like I'm fully in that emotion.

Speaker 2:

Or the other morning, in Butte, like we're going out to breakfast and I'm with my boyfriend and I've gotten notice that someone in my community, my co-housing community one of the children are in the hospital and they've been in the hospital for three days, are in the hospital and they've been in the hospital for three days. And it's this moment of normally we're told don't show your emotions, don't go there. And here I am like, oh my goodness, this poor child. Right and so it's. And right now, like it's this. How can we say yes to all of our emotions whenever they arise? Right and so, whether it's in pleasure or in pain or in insecurity or whatever it may be, how can we show up in all of us as much as possible? Right and so? There's so much. No, go ahead. Yeah, no, go ahead. Take it from here.

Speaker 1:

I was just going to say. I think there's so much in, especially in the spiritual community right now, no matter which space in the spiritual community you fall in, but there is so much of an emphasis of we need to heal so that we don't have those negative emotions, or we need to raise our vibrations so that we can feel positive all the time. Or we're going to law of attraction our way to the life that we want, and in order to do that, we need to raise our vibrations so that we can feel positive all the time or we're going to law of attraction on our way to the life that we want, and in order to do that, we need to only focus on the things that we want, and those aspects are important some of the time. Right, there are times where we do need the ability to be resilient and to pull ourselves out of dark places and to reconnect to what is true and sacred and bright, and that is not taking away from the efficacy of the law of attraction and things like that. Right, there is a little bit of truth in all of these things, but when it becomes this overarching umbrella of I am a spiritual person, or I'm a spiritual practitioner or I'm on my healing journey and that means that I should quote, unquote always be happy. I should always have this perfect kind of veneer on me of what it looks like to be a good human, to be a good spiritual person, to be a good practitioner. Suddenly, we're starting to filter ourselves and, like we talked about in our last conversation, spirit doesn't fragment us. Society does. When we are called to split ourselves up into different pieces or to say this part is more or less worthy than this part, that is a societal expectation.

Speaker 1:

And the problem really comes in in the fact that if we are unwilling to look at our negative emotions, if we are unwilling to sit with the discomfort or to notice the anxiety or to feel the tears and that compassion for the child who's in the hospital and those kinds of things, if we become unwilling to look at those, we also become unwilling to take action to make changes in those areas. You know what I mean. Like if we're constantly looking at what is happy and what is good and what is bright and what is true and we're ignoring the shadow side of the world, which is very real, right and, from a shamanic perspective, not a bad thing. You know we all have our shadow selves and what walking a shamanic path calls us to do is unite those.

Speaker 1:

But if we're not willing to look at all of it and to see all of it as worthy to come to the table and be felt, but if we're not willing to look at all of it and to see all of it as worthy to come to the table and be felt, if we're not willing to sit with the discomfort, the broader scope of that is that we're then not willing to sit in the discomfort with our communities, with our society, and say what caused this discomfort, what's at the root of this, what areas could be expanded, what policies could be shifted, what ways that we're interacting with each other could we look at and and and re-sculpt, re-shape, so that we have the space to feel those emotions, to make the changes, to create a world where we can actually live wild and live free and be authentic and think.

Speaker 1:

That's a side of what we call spiritual bypassing that we don't really talk about a lot is that there's the personal side of it, in that all of those emotions are just going to boil up and out at some point and that energy is now stuck in your body, but when we look at that as above, so below, as within, so without. That also means that if we're not willing to look at it in ourselves, we're not willing to look at it around us and actually create the changes that are going to allow us to live wild, not just personally, but as a culture and as a people.

Speaker 2:

Well, and I think that there's so much around even the term wild, like there is so much stigma around being authentic, being authentic, like I think that the whole idea, like I think there's a movement of trying to reclaim the wild, or rewilding, or women are trying to find their authentic truth and power once again, and it's um, it's like this uphill battle in our culture of saying you know, battle in our culture of saying you know, it's okay to feel the spectrum of emotions, it's okay to sit with the heaviness, it's okay to get angry, right, like if we're, there's so much around if you're an angry woman that makes you this right, and then we get this label going on and what if? What if that wasn't the case? What if I can just be angry because I'm angry because there's some injustice in the world and this is bullshit and whatever, right? And so you know, I feel like there's a just reclaiming of your emotions as a sacred process is huge, and for so many of us it feels like once the dam is kind of been burst open, you've got a lot of processing to do and that's okay, like. I feel like like when you come into a space where, finally, those, those walls are starting to come down and you can go deeper and deeper, and self-reflection of like why is this showing up for me? What angle of who I am is trying to come through now, and is this some part of myself that I need to love even more? Right, not trying to get rid of that aspect of my insecurity or whatever it is, it's how could I love myself even more so that she knows she's safe in this space of my human soup, of my holy temple as any of the other parts? And so I think that there's a lot of trying to like yeah, it's that spiritual bypassing, but like pushing away and pushing down. Because what if we all started feeling like, yeah, it's that spiritual bypassing, but like pushing away and pushing down. Because what if we all started feeling like what would the world look like if we all felt into other people's emotions and experiences? And I think that is where true radical transformation as a culture is going.

Speaker 2:

You know, I feel like there's a part of myself that remembers a time and place that was a different lifetime, where there wasn't words. Everyone could feel, everyone right. There wasn't this language and this um, this wall between who I am and how I'm expressing myself. Everyone could just see all of it Right, and in that way, it's like you knew if someone was upset with you and you knew if someone was in love with you and you knew if someone was jealous, like you. Just there was this transparency in this lifetime and there's aspects of that that I yearn for all the time.

Speaker 2:

Like I love it when people know me well enough, like they're so close to me that they know me well enough that they can tell those subtle switches in my energy and I'm like, oh, you're listening, you're listening, even though I'm not using and vocalizing any words, and that I like, I love that and I love, I want more of that and I want to be able to do that with my children and I want to be able to do that with my neighbors and I want to be so attuned to where they're at that I can feel them and not take it as a personal attack, like if someone is upset with me, I can go.

Speaker 2:

I can now feel it from their perspective. How can I now communicate and work through this so that we're really honoring the other person and myself at the same time? And I think that's when we start doing that from within, right, there's the divine masculine and sacred, the divine masculine and the divine feminine. You have these two aspects within yourself and when you start the conversation within, it's much more easier to do it externally, right.

Speaker 1:

And you know it's. It's so interesting because I could kind of feel everyone who identifies as an empath in this conversation kind of clenching up a little bit, because the idea of living in a world where we're all just feeling our emotions and able to tune into the people around us, to an empath especially if you don't have an energetic hygiene ritual and if you're working on your self-worth, which so many empaths are that feels incredibly overwhelming. And I think that question that you asked of what would society look like if we were all able to feel our emotions really brings out this awareness that, A if we actually feel our emotions, they last a whole lot less. A. If we actually feel our emotions, they last a whole lot less time than we think that they're going to, because we're actually letting them move and process through. And when we live in a culture that is so fragmented, that is so based on your self-worth, has to be earned by the work that you do, the way you take care of other people, the love that you give to earned by the work that you do, the way you take care of other people, the love that you give to others, the protection that you give to others, depending on where your energy is at right.

Speaker 1:

When we are so based, our self-worth is so based on things that we're doing or how we're acting in the world around us. That means that our ability to take care of other people, our ability to connect with other people, becomes our worth and our value. Which means that, for empaths, the ability to feel and take on other people's emotions becomes their source of self-worth. They do not feel. We do not feel because I think Christina and I have both identified as empaths at some point.

Speaker 1:

Right, we do not feel like we are allowed to witness someone else's emotion without taking it on for ourselves. Because we feel like we are allowed to witness someone else's emotion without taking it on for ourselves, because we feel like we have to fix it, we feel like we have to heal it, and if we don't, then we're a bad person, Then we're not serving our purpose, Then we're not as worthy than whatever it is Right. And so in a, in a world where everyone is allowed to feel their emotions and no one is expecting to be fixed, no one is expecting to be healed, because we recognize that that conversation happens within and healing comes from within, In that world there's no need to take on other people's emotions, because you can sit with them and witness it and your self-worth isn't coming from. How deep into this person's emotions can I be so that I can help them? It's. Can I sit in sacred circle with this person while they're feeling what they're feeling and allow that process to happen? And that's a completely different dynamic.

Speaker 2:

And that's a huge that. I mean that ability to like. I think this is why people go to therapy or hire a coach. Right, like there's no expectation that you need to reserve your emotions because you don't want to make the other person feel bad. Right, like there's no expectation that you need to reserve your emotions because you don't want to make the other person feel bad. Right, you can just. You can be your messy self and like mad cry or sad cry or angry cry or whatever it is Like. You can just be in all of your emotions and there's no expectations. And so we have created these. Society has given us spaces where it's becoming more normalized. Okay, if I go to a therapy, I can do that work. I can go to a spiritual coach or a life coach, and I can do that work. They're going to hold space for me. I can go to a cacao ceremony and I can just be exactly who I am and no one's going to try to fix me Right. And I think that's the I mean.

Speaker 2:

One of my favorite phrases is like my energy is my energy and your energy is your energy. And really having this energetic boundary of just because I'm in witness of strong emotions doesn't mean they're mine, doesn't mean I need to take them on, and when we can start doing that work that is our inner masculine going. I'm holding the line of what's allowed to come in and that doesn't make it me bad or wrong for not trying to fix it. It's me holding the line of going. This isn't yours to fix. Like just because someone has stuff doesn't mean the other person needs to do anything. And I think that's a huge lesson for a lot of empaths to understand their own internal dynamics of how can we mature the masculine, how can we mature in our feminine to really live in balance and to have these experiences where you know when the feminine needs to arise or your inner masculine needs to arise, to the occasion and also go. This is my energy, this is mine.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I love that we're bringing in the masculine and feminine into this, because I think it is another one of those patterns that we're seeing in the spiritual community that right now I personally I feel like the way that we are approaching it is doing more harm than good as kind of a mass spiritual community, because we've had so many students I can I probably need two hands to count how many have come in and just had these really twisted and difficult experiences with the concept of masculine versus feminine energy, especially when it comes to how they show up in the world, the roles that they play, especially if we take it into gender roles and things like that. And so I think this is a great time to kind of dovetail a little bit into how we approach masculine and feminine energy here, because I think it's so radically different and for me it really is about coming back to that idea that there is just even in energy dynamics right, we all know that in energy dynamics your left side is receiving and your right side is giving. Right there is that push and pull. We see that in our relationships, we see that in our communion with nature, we see that in our own body, we see that in the work that we do, right, that is just a natural flow of energy. There is one part of us that is open and receiving and there's another part of us that has that outward motion and is giving. And that baseline is the baseline of masculine and feminine energies and it has nothing to do with gender, it has nothing to do with sexuality, it has nothing to do with the roles that we play according to society and it has nothing to do with gender. It has nothing to do with sexuality, it has nothing to do with the roles that we play according to society and it has everything to do with the energies that we want to be calling in in the moment. And what?

Speaker 1:

What gets me about the way that masculine and feminine energy is portrayed right now, whether it's in just kind of mass consciousness or even in the spiritual community, is we tend to say that the feminine is this really gentle, nurturing, mother-like energy and the masculine is this very warrior type energy.

Speaker 1:

And then, if you keep going and you kind of go a little more into the books and a little more into the communities, suddenly you learn that the feminine also has this warrior, like, badass feminine side and the masculine also has this like sacred protector that can hold space for people and it's like, yes, because we are both and I personally get frustrated with the masculine and feminine terms because it's like both are both.

Speaker 1:

We both have those aspects and so I think there's if your brain is kind of rearing up a little bit at the term masculine and feminine and what all of the stigma and the connotations that can come with that let's step back a little bit and reframe it as that kind of giving nourishing or giving outward and receiving nourishment side, and reframe it that way in this conversation, because I think it just completely shifts the way we look at it, because we all have both energies and we get to choose which side, which part of us, we want to call in so that we can live life in harmony with both of these energies, all of these energies.

Speaker 2:

Well, and I think that, like, society has these huge pendulum swings Okay, we're in the patriarchy and now we recognize that is bad and toxic and men are toxic. And like there's this, this huge amount of dumping on the masculine because it's associated with right, and then you will swing the other way and it's like and and it's just as toxic over there, right, so it's. It's like can we set aside all of like? I mean, there's so much in our culture and society that has painted a picture for us to adhere to, whether it is designer magazines telling us what to wear, right, or you know, like it's all of it. It's like how do you fit in the rules If you're a true man, you're going to go hunting and fishing and look a certain way. Like there's so much of that BS that's happening, and I think when people hear divine feminine, sacred masculine, they just want to pitch that out the window, like we're so it's. It's something that the concept is not coming through appropriately.

Speaker 1:

You know what I think about with this, though.

Speaker 1:

This is part of why I love the LGBTQ community. Yes, because it's like it is this collective of people who have woken up and realized men are not all masculine energy and women are not all feminine energy. Those labels, the way that we use them, the connotations in which those energies come through, is being completely misused. And we are all fluid. We all have that fluidity of where the balance of our energy comes in, and it's so interesting to me that idea of again in those spaces when people kind of wake up and realize wait a second, no, this is.

Speaker 1:

We are so much more than just this one label, this one box, and it even it makes me laugh too, because from a shamanic perspective, even something as simple as the sacred masculine and divine feminine from a shamanic perspective is incorrect, because the earth was considered sacred. The earth was the sacred mother, sacred feminine, whereas the sky was the divine. So it from a shamanic perspective, originally it was the sacred feminine and the divine masculine, and it's just like even you know a little bit semantics there, right, but I feel like even that just shows how twisted those concepts have become in our minds and our culture.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and we're supposed to be born of both the earth and the sky, right, like we're supposed to be in combination of both. Right. And so I. I feel like I definitely have gone down this path of understanding those feminine, masculine energies within myself over the last year or so, right, and the more I began to realize well, really, it's been over two years. Well, over two years, because I recognized at one point in my life not too long ago that it was mostly in my masculine energy, and that's usually what society wants us all to be, because the masculine is productive, right, the masculine wants to just nose to the grindstone, produce, produce, produce. And like. It's very much, um, it's very strong, like we, our society gives this um brought, like this honor to those that can hold the and and be the breadwinner and, you know, do the things and and and it's, it's so, it's so much, it's so much.

Speaker 2:

And I, I realized that in my uh, marriage, my, with my father's daughter, my daughter's father, that I was very much in that energy and there came a point that I was like I'm done, I do not want to be 90% in my masculine meaning, logical and organized and dictating, and really trying to rationalize everything and those energies within me was exhausting and I had brought myself to a point of burnout trying to meet those needs of that breadwinner role. And I'm still in a breadwinner role, meaning I still am the primary earner for my household as a single mom. And yet I'm doing it in my feminine, I'm doing it in a receptive, receiving, flowing way, but that doesn't mean that I've left out the masculine right. It's finding the balance within yourself and so I feel like there's so much happening in the world of you need to be this way and us trying to strive to. I need to be this way and instead of going what feels good within me if there wasn't a rule book, I think that's really what. What we like to do here at moon rising is like we threw out the rule book. How would you script your life? What story would you tell? How do you want things to go? What rules do you want to make?

Speaker 2:

And there was definitely a point where my rule for life was the more fun and play I had, the more abundance I would attract. Period right. And that statement to my then husband the more fun and play have, the more abundance I will attract was so in contrast to his beliefs that it started breaking down our marriage. I couldn't have fun, I couldn't be playful, I couldn't be in my playful energy, I couldn't be in my feminine role because it went up against his expectations of who I was supposed to be as his wife and that was really. Um.

Speaker 2:

I think that's really when things started to shift in my world of understanding the feminine and masculine. Like there's nothing wrong with me sitting down at my computer every Monday morning and going all right, here's my to-do list, here's the shit that I need to get done. I'm going to do X, y and Z. I'm going to you know and be organized about it. There's nothing wrong with that. It's that we. It's like if you didn't have a script, how are you going to be the best version of who you are in both the giving and the receiving side of yourself, the best version of who you are in both the giving and the receiving side of yourself.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I love that story about you and your husband because I think it also really showcases the difference between balance and harmony when it comes to these energies.

Speaker 1:

This is something that we talk about with our students all the time and it completely changes the way that you look at this, because you can be in balance if you have one person in the relationship completely in their masculine and one person in the relationship completely in their feminine. That's technically balanced, right. But then if the one who's in their masculine starts to explore their feminine more, they're bringing their own energy into harmony, but it's going to start to be imbalanced, because now there's more of that feminine energy than the masculine energy in the relationship and the dynamic that you set. And so there's a difference between balance, which a scale can be balanced if one side's heavier than the other, right, or if there's more of one substance on the other. The scales can still be balanced. But harmony happens when you are able to work with both of those energies and have that mix and have that fluidity and are able to move through things. And so you know you were talking about being the breadwinner, and I'm in the same place right now. Right now I'm the breadwinner for my family, but to me it doesn't feel like this masculine push, because I have created this belief system with my business, with my work, with my money, in that I allow myself to receive it, I create my to-do list that's that masculine energy and then I allow the universe to help me flow into doing it. And so even there just shows how your intention can shift, which energy you're in, because I could be making that to-do list happen every day, or I could be setting the to-do list, having that organization, the structure right, which is more of that masculine energy, and then allowing what fills that structure, what fills that container, to be flow, to be receiving, to be a new belief system that allows me to move through my life in a way that feels fluid and natural to me.

Speaker 1:

And I think that this is one of those things where we were talking earlier about how, you know, that kind of glazing over the negative side keeps us from taking action in our life, but we also can't wait for the outside to look different until keeps us from taking action in our life. But we also can't wait for the outside to look different until we start making these changes in ourself. Because the thing is, even from a neurological perspective the world is going, your life is going to shape itself around your belief systems. We see that in society, right, with things as big as the bills and laws that we pass, but we also see this in mass consciousness, with the mass beliefs that we have. Things like, you know, money doesn't grow on trees and you have to work hard in order to receive, and abundance is selfish and self-care is selfish and all of these things right, all of these programs that we're all really super familiar with, even if we haven't named them yet.

Speaker 1:

And again, from a shamanic perspective, that was what the shaman of the tribe was for. Yes, they were the medicine men and they worked with nature and they did the journeys and they did the soul retrievals, but really the reason that a shaman was kept in isolation was because they were the truth keeper for their tribe. It was understood that the stories that we tell ourselves are what shape our culture and what shape our society and what shape the lives that we live. And so by having a shaman who was kept close to the original instructions, to that capital T truth that we talk about. When someone was dysregulated or imbalanced or a relationship wasn't working or they felt lost or disconnected, they came to the shaman, not for this otherworldly healing, but for this really honest look at where are the stories that you're telling yourself strayed from that capital T truth right?

Speaker 1:

And I think that if we look at ourselves in that way and look at this understanding that every rule, every societal expectation, every limiting belief that we have was made up, everything about society was made up. It just was, like anything that is a judgment that comes along with a should that has that feeling of well, I could be doing this, but I should be doing this instead. It is all completely man-made by human minds, and that means that our mind and our soul now has the choice of do we want to continue to play this game the way that it was written by other humans or do we want to take a second to step back and, like Christine said, write our own rules? And I think we get so caught up in the fear of well, there's not space for me to do that, you know, there's not even back to that real. There's not space for me to take a few deep breaths in my office without people thinking I'm weird, right? Something as small as that is like.

Speaker 1:

We feel like the outside world needs to change before we can make these shifts, to live wild in ourselves. And from a neurological perspective, that's where our reticulating activating system comes in, because our RAS is this little part of your brain that is essentially constantly looking for information in the life around you that's going to validate the beliefs that you have. So if you believe that you can't take three deep breaths at your office because your coworkers are going to think you're weird, anytime you even try, even if it's one deep breath, your brain is now scanning the room for a coworker looking at you that wasn't looking at you a second ago, a shift in the energy, somebody moving behind you, something that's going to tell you shit. Now they think I'm weird for taking that deep breath. And so guess what? Now you're going to stay the same, because that's the function of our subconscious mind is to keep us the same. Because same is safe, change is dangerous right, and so the same. Because same as safe, change is dangerous Right and so.

Speaker 1:

But that also means that, using our reticular activating system, if we make the change first, if we just say fuck it. I'm going to take the 3d breaths or fuck it. I'm going to wear the thing that I want to wear today or fuck it. I'm not going to play by this society's rules. I'm going to change this one thing today and see how it feels. The more you do that, the more your reticular activating system, the more your brain, your energy, is going to be looking at the world around you and saying where's the evidence that I do get to do this? Where's the evidence that this can work? Where's the evidence that living wild is actually okay? And then, from that internal change, your external is going to shift too, because you've made space for yourself to live the life that you want.

Speaker 2:

You know I love the, the reticulated and activating system. God, that that that term always throws me, and you know it's part of our primal systems to keep us safe, right. And so when we can understand, evolutionarily speaking, how we would scan the world to look for danger, right, and now we are saying you know the world is a safe enough place that we can scan the world to look for danger, right, and now we are saying you know the world is a safe enough place that we can scan the world and look for the things that are affirming to the belief system that we want to create. And that's the shift that Isabel's speaking of, of going we can look for around the world at all these people are judging me and, oh my gosh, now I need to make myself smaller so I fit in, or I can scan the world to go. Who is giving me permission to be all of who I am? And I love that shift because it's when we look to the people. Like, for example, here I am in Butte Montana, which you know I live in a very red state. You know I live in a space where we have farmers and ranchers and we have business folk, Like it's very Butte Montana. It can be very diverse. It's very working class, old mining town, and I just wasn't expecting to see the diversity that showed up. And so you could look around and going, wow, look at them and all of their fullness of who they are and their bright clothing or their funky dancing or whatever it was, and going, I can see if they can do it, I can do it too. They're giving themselves permission to be exactly who they are Like.

Speaker 2:

For like one, there was this couple there that was super sweet. They they danced the hardest and then in between songs, they would hand out flowers. They brought bouquets and pays, bouquets of flowers to hand out, to give joy to others, and their ability to not only fully express themselves in the music and in their clothing but also have this desire to spread their joy and the easiest way possible, by just handing out flowers, was so beautiful to witness. And so now it's like every time people come back, they look for the people who are handing out the flowers, right, and maybe something within them wants to be like well, how can I show up more, more fully as me, so that I can match that energy of like I'm giving in a way that brings joy to others.

Speaker 2:

And I just saw that again and again and again at this, this festival of people showing up in their sacred selves of being completely authentic, wearing their funky clothing right alongside the you know the very clearly rancher type with the cowboy boots and the big belt belt buckles, and everyone was fine here we are listening to. For sometimes there was like an Iraqi woman who was singing with her band and you know the drummer was from Palestine. And to hear the crowd give their honor and appreciation for these multicultural experiences with such a diverse audience just gave me so much hope in the collective honoring of multiculturalism. Right, like we can all see each other for who we are and how can we do this more on the regular? Like how can we if everyone left let's say there was 175,000 people at this festival in Montana, like that's a huge percentage of our population, like Montana doesn't even have like a million people in the whole entire state.

Speaker 2:

And it's like if we, if everyone took away, I could be more who I am and more accepting of those around me. And that was all that was spread from this event. No wonder it's been going on for so many years, because they're doing such good work and helping all voices be heard and all people show up as they want to, and I just I felt so much of that idea of reclaiming that sacred self and reclaim like it's happened, it's happening amongst us in places that I wasn't expecting, and that was really beautiful. It was really beautiful.

Speaker 1:

And, you know, I think it really just goes to highlight again when we're talking about reclaiming the sacred self, for me it comes back to this idea that the divine did not incarnate in our souls, in this body, to be a copy-paste of anybody else. You know, we are every possible infinite aspect and manifestation of the universe embodied. And so no wonder, when we drive to work in a box and we work in a box and we write on pieces of paper that are shaped like a box and we come home to our box and we keep ourselves in this box of our labels and who we are and the roles that we play, no wonder we feel so disconnected and so dysregulated and so lost and confused, even those of us who are in the spiritual community and looking out at the world that is living in their boxes. No wonder we feel so disconnected because we were never, we never meant to embody here to live in a box. We meant to embody here to experience this incredibly unique, once in a lifetime, once in a universe, manifestation of life living itself through us.

Speaker 1:

And I think we all have this innate awareness, whether you want to say it's your nervous system and your neuroception, or it's your intuition and your soul, or whatever it is. We all have this innate awareness of the things that we do that are life affirming. Those moments where we wear the funky pants that we want to wear, or we have the thing for breakfast that our soul really wants to have instead of what we should, or when we say the thing that we've been trying to say and we finally give ourselves space to, or even when we just take a deep breath in the middle of our office. That feeling that we get, that warmth in our belly, that expansion in our heart, that feeling of I can breathe now, not just physically breathe, but energetically breathe. It's those life-affirming moments that remind us that we were not here to be, you know, not in like the Pinterest-y, cute little quote kind of way, but literally, energetically, from a divine perspective. We were not here to be anybody else, because that life, that possibility, is already being lived. There's no point for the divine to come in, for us to come in, for our soul to come in and live a life that's already been lived. And yet that's what society, that's what the rules that we've been brought up in, that's what the structures that we've been brought up in, that's what the structures that we've been brought up and to keep society moving forward. Right, they're there for a reason, but they keep us living the same life over and over and over again, or feeling like we need to be living the same life over and over and over again. And so it's like, when we start reclaiming our sacred self, we're not just reclaiming ourselves, we're reclaiming the right to have life live itself through us However it wants to, in this lifetime, in this manifestation, and so it's like just take a moment to do the thing.

Speaker 1:

Start noticing this would be my invitation, and it's something that I've been leaning into in my own life is like start noticing. Are the things that you're doing, life affirming, do they help you feel that warm, expansive feeling? Do they help you feel like you've got a little bit of room to take up in your own life, or are they life constricting, where you feel smaller? You feel like you're shoving yourself into a box, you're trying to fit the mold, and it's like can you give yourself permission for even just one deep breath in your office, or five minutes of speaking your opinion to someone that you feel safe doing it with right? Or having a dance party when you're alone in your apartment or whatever it is.

Speaker 1:

Can you give yourself the permission to have five minutes every day at least, right, five minutes, not a lot, where you can live wild and notice how it feels? Because the thing is, once you start doing it, it's really addictive, because your soul starts waking up and saying, oh my God, they're finally listening again, they're finally listening to me instead of what's happening outside of them. And I'm really intimately familiar with that sensation right now, because for the last six months I have not been listening, listening and now I'm back in the space of listening and it's like your creativity gets turned up and your intuition gets turned up and your energy to do the things to be in your masculine in a healthy way gets turned up. But your availability to receive and be nourished also turns up, and so you can show up for yourself and the people around you in a much better way, and in doing so, you're giving others permission to do the same thing, and it's like, if you feel the need to take a deep breath in the middle of your office, I guarantee you your coworkers do so.

Speaker 1:

Can we all give ourselves, and therefore the rest of us, the permission to have five minutes every day this week, to just live wild, whatever that looks like for you, and notice how does it feel? Is that the feeling that you want to bring more of into your life? And how can you keep doing that? Because it just it doesn't have to be these huge revolutionary changes. You know the, the type, the little subtitle on our masterclass we're teaching is revolution starts from within, because it's those little acts of rebellion that spark that revolution where we say I'm going to show up as me, I'm going to take the deep breath, I'm going to wear the pants, I'm going to say the thing, I'm going to have a dance party, I'm going to make the noise when I need to make the noise that give us the space to remember that living wild is not about changing what's happening outside of us. It's about giving ourselves the permission to realize that that space is already happening within.

Speaker 2:

You know, and I think that I want to say that sometimes it's not easy. Sometimes you do the thing and you are trying to step into your rewild self and society doesn't care for it, right, and there's some type of pushback and we can decide. I think this is where we come back to that, that space of. I think this is where we come back to that space of. Are we noticing the affirming comments and affirming to ourselves, like I'm worthy to be in this space, or are we going to hold on to the negativity that's brought forward, right, like? I think we have to remember that there's a choice in that. So, for example, the my, um, my boyfriend wears these really fancy three-piece suits to the Bozeman or the Butte Folk Festival every year and he looks amazing and there are hundreds of comments that come his way and, um, all very like pictures, people taking pictures and videos and all the things of us dancing and I, I, I was expect. I mean, he gave me a heads up, I knew that was happening and the first two days I wore things that were very, uh, culturally accepting, that made me look good, that I felt comfortable in, because it, it, it, yes, it felt comfortable and and also it matched a lot of the cultural expectations of what a woman should look like, right. And on the third day I was like I know it's going to be really hot, I want coverage so that my I'm not going to get a sunburn, I'm not going to get overheated. So I wore this full length blouse that went all the way to my ankles and you know it was. I could have hyper focused on like, like people pull me aside, why aren't you matching him today? Why does he look good and you don't? And then there, and so I just kind of figured okay, that's the energy of today, I'm not going to be matched by um his appearance. And there was another time where someone was like I want to get your picture, and I was like, okay, I'll let you take the picture. And the, the guy with the um the camera was like no, you too. And I was like I was totally taken aback because it was like oh, I don't, I'm not matching what the culture says I'm supposed to look like today. And you know, I think we get to have a choice. Which one do I get to focus on? Do I focus on insecurity that I am not matching the way society wants me to match and look good, even though I felt good in those outfits.

Speaker 2:

I loved what I wore, but it was, it was more accepting versus wearing something that was, um, it just didn't match. It was more of a funky outfit and it was more like okay, I'm going to play today, I'm going to, I'm going to push my own um comfort zone and, and there was a part of it where, yeah, I got pushed back Right and so it's like but I get to choose and and when those insecurities show up, what do we do with them? I think that's the thing like go be all of you and then recognize that, the insecurity that does show up. What does that tell you about yourself? Right, like there's a piece of it where you know, yeah, I don't want to be that insecure person, I want to push her away. Like I don't want to, I don't want to have a conversation with her, Like I just want to ignore that and move on.

Speaker 2:

Right, or I have the choice to really feel and process. Where is she coming from? How can I love her more? Which part of my inner child, teenage self, whatever it is, is coming forward saying love me a little more because you've done this in the past when you were a teenager, exploring fashion, where you down right. So there's a bit of really understanding, like as you reclaim that internal sacredness of yourself of going, you get to decide and you get to love all of who you are and you, if you want to wear the funky clothing, go for it and at some point it's going to get more comfortable.

Speaker 2:

But it doesn't mean like this whole process of like I'm going to put on my, my wild self is going to be instantly accepted by our society and culture.

Speaker 2:

Right, there's there's going to be aspects where you are going to learn about yourself and unveil parts of yourself that will need love and honoring and processing so that you can be continue on that journey of I can be all of me and it's okay. And I think that's one of the reasons why I'm really looking forward to doing our master class is because you will have a sacred container to do that processing within, based on these topics that we're bringing forward and I think, having that that safety network built in of like there's going to be some spaces where it's just too energetically and emotionally processed. How does it feel to be more fully you and who you are in these topics right and learning the nervous system and learning these activating actions and learning how to come back into self-regulation of going wow. My 12 year old self really showed up and does not like myself being put out this way and getting this type of attention right Like there's. There's some of that there that is also going within. How can I love that part of me?

Speaker 1:

And I think that is it's why it's so important that we have the balance of the tools to help us regulate, to help us process the emotions, to sit with what's showing up, to be able to be in the discomfort so that we can feel, to heal, and then we can take the energy and the personal power and the motivation that we get from that to then go do the thing again. Right, because I think so often we have these conversations and we think about it and everybody listening right now has an idea in their head of if there were no rules. My version of that question is if I woke up today and I didn't know anything, if I hadn't been taught anything about society or what the world was supposed to look like, what would I do? Right, we all have an image of what that is, whether it's the outfit you would wear, the thing you would say, the kind of music you would listen to, the deep breaths that you would take, whatever it is right there, you instantly know. And we sit here and we say, yes, yes, that is exactly what we want. And it is so easy to stay in that energy when we're in this sacred circle listening to these things and then we go out in the real world and we don't do it and our reticular activating system makes up these stories about well, we didn't do it because it wouldn't be accepted, because I would get pushback, because it would be hard, because it would be uncomfortable. And while all of those things might be true, we are never going to experience the change that we want if we keep playing by the rules that caused the problem in the first place.

Speaker 1:

And so we hit this kind of wall. We hit this moment of. This is your ultimatum. You get to have the bit of discomfort for a moment in service of creating a life of freedom where you can live wild and do what you want, knowing that you have the backbone of tools to help you through any insecurities or emotions or difficulties that come up. And yeah, growth is going to be uncomfortable and shifts are going to happen, and you're going to cry and you're going to scream and it's going to be uncomfortable, but you're also going to laugh and smile and dance and have joy in your life again. Or you can keep playing by the rules and live that kind of not terrible, not great experience, and I think there's nothing wrong with either of those, but the reason that we teach the things that we do and we have this masterclass coming up and we show up the way that we do is because for us it is worth it to do the thing, to be uncomfortable for a minute, to stretch our horizons a little bit in service of that wildness, in service of that sacred self, knowing that we have also created a sacred space in our homes with ourselves, with our partners, with our friends, whoever it is, where we can come back to after we've done the thing and say that was really hard.

Speaker 1:

You know, I had an experience earlier this year where, early this month actually, where I had to kind of speak up to one of my bosses and say look, the way that you're treating me is not okay, I'm not, I'm not okay with this, I'm not comfortable with this. And I did a fan-fucking-tastic job. I spoke up for myself, I was confident, I was compassionate, I knew what boundaries I wanted to set beforehand. I did a great job and when I got off the call I knew that I could go to my husband and curl up and say that was enough being big for today. I need to be small for a while.

Speaker 1:

Say that was enough being big for today I need to be small for a while and that ability to stand up for yourself to do the thing, to have the energy, the motivation, the empowerment to do the thing when you want to, and then have created the safe space to be able to process the emotions that come up, to re-regulate yourself and to have the awareness to navigate all of that. I think if everybody had the tools and the help and the support and the space to be able to do those things, our world would be a very, very different place. And so that, to me, is why we're teaching, why we have the podcast, why we're teaching the masterclass that we're teaching, why we are showing up the way that we are, because I firmly believe that if we are shining a light on spaces in our own lives where this kind of work, this kind of fluidity, this kind of energy is showing up and has permission to be lived, it's going to create that space for other people too.

Speaker 2:

Exactly, and I feel like if we want society to be more authentic, we have to be more authentic within ourselves. And this is that radical revolution that that can happen within us. Right, and I? I think it's such powerful work. And you know, like I have some clients in my life that are in their seventies and eighties and it's like why do this work? And I'm like because then you won't have to do it next lifetime. It's like you know they're ready, they're ready to do the work, they're ready to do the learnings, because they don't, they want to enjoy their life to the fullest capacity.

Speaker 2:

And this is where you know like living in that box of what society says is appropriate is only giving you a fraction of the joy that you can experience. And I think you can see such a difference in your sexual life, in your sensual life, when you start saying yes to this is all of who I am and my fullest expression of who I am there, fullest expression of who I am. There are so many different other avenues in which it gets to show up and life can be fuller, not better fuller. There's a difference in this understanding of I get to be, I get to experience the full capacity of the flavors of life, whether that is the food in front of you or the smells that you inhale or whatever it may be, you get to have a more rounded, glorious, enjoying all of it.

Speaker 2:

Because I feel like if I decided to come into this human suit on earth where I know it's going to be hell like it's this, this place is hard. You know, no one's got an easy life. I say that all the time. We didn't come to earth for vacation. We came here to experience all of it, all of the ups and downs, and what if we got to experience the capacity of what those are? So, yes, when I feel I'm going to be feeling the depth of that hurt that I might have or the insecurity that I felt, but once I move and process through that, then I also get to experience the fullness on the other end of the spectrum and I feel like that is the most beautiful part of being a human is that we get to experience all of it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and you know, it reminds me as we kind of bring this to a close. It reminds me of the study I believe it was Harvard that did a longitudinal study of people who were about to die and they asked them about their biggest regrets. And it was this. I mean, there were thousands of people in this study and the number one thing that people regretted was not living their life to the fullest. It wasn't not saving, it wasn't, you know, not saying the thing to my boss when I should have it was I regret that I didn't let myself live life in the moment. And I feel like, whether you're approaching this from the more scientific nervous system regulation, allowing your physical body to have the capacity to live life to the fullest space, or you're navigating this from the spiritual, I want my energy, I want my fullest expression, I want my creativity, my intuition to be able to guide me through this life and live it in color. Whichever aspect you're taking this from or maybe it's a little bit of both we all feel that call to live our lives more fully and I really think that, no matter what age we are, whether we're 20 or 95, we owe it to ourselves, we owe it to our soul that chose this lifetime to come in, to live this lifetime to the fullest, knowing that the ability to do so requires self-awareness, and sometimes it requires support, and it requires tools to help us through the more difficult moments, and it requires us to be able to be present to enjoy the beautiful moments too. Right, it takes work, it takes space, it takes returning to yourself again and again and again to let life be lived through you, and so I hope that this conversation has opened up a space where, again, even if it's just for five minutes, you can let yourself live the life that you want to live, whatever that looks like in the moment, whether it's the cup of coffee that you're drinking, or the break that you take in your workday, or the fancy pants that you're wearing, or whatever it is Like. I hope that those five minutes bring you so much joy and fulfillment and nourishment and inspire you to do it again and again and again, because it's those moment to moment changes, when we step up, that's going to make all the difference. And if you're listening to this live, when this is coming out and airing, and you're wanting to join with us as we walk this journey and share it with you.

Speaker 1:

I'll know that our Reclaiming the Sacred Self Masterclass starts on July 21st. The classes will be Monday evenings from 5 to 7 Mountain, 7 to 9 Eastern, and the recordings will be available if you can't make it live. But we're going to be talking about all of this. We're going to be talking about the nervous system and the masculine and feminine, and how to rewild your life and do the inner child work and reprogram your subconscious patterns and express your sacred desires and creativity and really come home to yourself, so that we have a space where we can all show up and be vulnerable.

Speaker 1:

We can all show up and practice the awareness and presence that it takes to know how we're going to flow with our energy in each moment and have the space and capacity in our hearts to live our lives to the fullest. And so that we have the tools and we can practice the tools to help us through when the moments are hard or when we need extra support, and we can do that so that we're resourcing our way through life and helping ourselves live it to the fullest the highs and the lows and all of their glory. So if you're interested in joining us for that masterclass, the link is below. We would absolutely love to have you in the circle and, of course, if you're listening to this episode later on, know that the recordings will be available for you to watch If you'd like to go through this course at your own pace. Oh.

Speaker 2:

I love it. I can't wait to step into really a beautiful, sacred container to do this work with all of you. So if you are interested, if you have questions, please DM us and otherwise the link is in the show notes so that you can say yes to the full reclamation of who you are and all of that aspects and knowing that it can be both amazing and self-compassionate and it can be a fucking mess and all of it's okay because you're going to have a container in which to process and thrive within.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and so I hope that you enjoyed today's conversation, and until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within. Bye everyone, thanks for tuning in to today's show. The Wisdom Rising podcast is sponsored by Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe to the show on your favorite podcasting app and be the first to know when we release a new episode. You can find us on Instagram, facebook, youtube and TikTok at Moon Rising Institute, or visit our website, moonrisinginstitutecom to learn more about our mission and find future opportunities to connect with our community of shamanic mystics. Once again, thank you for sharing space with us today, and until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.