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Resilience in the Face of Life's Challenges: Lincoln Crockett's Journey

• Christine Renee, Isabel Wells, and Shantel Ochoa

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Trigger warning: Infant loss.

In this episode, we welcome Lincoln Crockett, an extraordinary energy healer and musician, as he shares his transformative journey. Lincoln's path began unexpectedly with an introduction to Reiki during his college years, leading him to blend his academic background with his self-taught musical talents. Together, we explore how music and energy healing are interconnected, enhancing his ability to navigate life's challenges and guide others on their healing journeys.

Join us as we delve into the profound impact of energy work on self-awareness and healing. Lincoln highlights the importance of understanding energy as a form of information, and he discusses the psychological aspects of self-awareness, including how to address stored emotions and traumas. With confidence rooted in his extensive four-year energy work program, he emphasizes the vital role this practice plays in personal growth.

We also reflect on Buddhist principles and the power of feeding the mind positive information to help tackle life's challenges. Lincoln's heartfelt conversation touches on the complexities of love, loss, and healing, drawing from his own experiences, including the heartbreaking loss of a newborn and the journey through divorce. He reveals how music acts as both a healing modality and an audible journal, helping him process life's hurdles while finding solace amidst adversity.

From conscious uncoupling to co-parenting, Lincoln's narrative illustrates the resilience needed to embrace life's challenges and the profound opportunities they provide for healing and transformation. Tune in for a deeply resonant discussion that inspires self-awareness and personal growth.

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Speaker 1:

It's time to remember your divine purpose and limitless potential. Welcome to Wisdom Rising, the official podcast of Moon Rising Shamanic Institute. Join shamanic Reiki practitioners Christine Rene, isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoa as we guide you on a journey of radical self-discovery and spiritual guidance. Each week, we'll dance through the realms of shamanism, mysticism, energy, healing and personal development to illuminate your path to true healing and self-sourced wisdom Through weekly inspired conversations and interviews with leading spiritual and shamanic practitioners. We are here to help you acknowledge, reconcile and balance your energy so that you can awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.

Speaker 2:

Welcome to Wisdom Rising. I'm your host, christine Rene, and I've got a really great show today. That definitely took some twists and turns in organic conversation with Lincoln Crockett. Now I do have to say that there is a trigger warning on this episode for infant loss. So if that is a sensitive topic for you, be sure to come into this episode with the knowingness that we are going to be talking about infant loss and spirit babies, as well as our focus of the conversation, which is really Lincoln's journey as an energy healer and the ups and downs of life as both an energy practitioner for 20 years as well as a musician, and where those two intersect, and just a really lovely conversation. So be sure to check out Lincoln's information. You can find him on at lincolncrockettcom. Know that we have also a beautiful connection and community on our Facebook group, moon Rising Mystics that you are welcome to come over and join. Know that this podcast is also seen over on our YouTube channel, which now has over 12,000 subscribers on it. That's growing tremendously. So if you're over watching on YouTube, thank you so much for being there as well, and we just want to invite you in all the places and spaces to make sure that you are getting all of the love and support you need on your spiritual journey. So thank you so much for tuning in and listening today. Let's dive in. Welcome back to Wisdom Rising.

Speaker 2:

Today, I am joined with guest Lincoln Crockett. I'm super excited for this conversation. One because we haven't had a conversation together in probably 15 years, and at the time of knowing him all those years ago, I didn't realize that Lincoln was also an energy healer, as I was at the time, and so this is going to be a really fun conversation. Because he is an energy healer, he is a musician, he is a guide for challenging times is the way he likes to put it. He has a really awesome online course and I'm really excited to have him on because he's blended these worlds together of his healing, training and being a professional musician and songwriter, and I just am super excited about seeing what you're offering the world these days. And how did you come to this place? Because I know for my life journey it's not always the smoothest ride. As an energy healer, as a spiritual practitioner. We have the ups and downs like no other, and I just want to. I want to hear your story, so welcome. Welcome to the show, lincoln, I'm super excited to have you on.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, christine, super glad to be here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So tell me a little bit about your story. I know that you were introduced to Reiki so many years ago and I was as well so, but I think our Reiki so many years ago and I was as well so, but I think our you had formal training and I'm a little bit jealous of that because I didn't, I didn't like it was, it was not, it was not formal by any means, and so I'm like what was that like? Because that was early, like late 1990s, when, when, how did that all shake out?

Speaker 3:

Like tell me that story like late 1990s, when, when, how did that all shake out? Like, tell me that story. Uh well, first off I think, um, the beauty of this world. It's similar to music for me where, uh, it's the wild West. You know the proof's in the pudding. If you have it, you can do it. Then, uh, then you've got it and it didn't matter how you got there, uh, uh.

Speaker 3:

So some people with tons of training might only be able to offer so much, and somebody with no formal training. So, for instance, I'm formally trained to do energy healing work but I'm completely self-taught as a musician lesson and I've climbed pretty high in instrumental skill. And you know my people who like the music, that I do like that. I throw in weird chord changes and I step in and out of key and the music feels very organic. Energy sensitive people really enjoy it because there's a spiritual flavor to it. But you know, just like the Wild West, everybody comes from every direction to get there, and mine started growing up in the Washington DC area in the 90s and left-brained academic family. So I went to small liberal arts college in Colorado and while I was there there was a geology professor who offered a weekend Reiki workshop with three Reiki masters and for students it was $5 and a can of food to donate. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 3:

It was incredible because he wanted more people to know. And so this is a geology professor who knows all about, you know, the crystalline structure of the world around us, and he's a Reiki master. And so this was in Colorado Springs, which at the time was a very conservative place. But it also you know how that is in very conservative areas, the spiritual fringe people become a very tight-knit community, and so somehow this town had a higher per capita Reiki practitioner than any other town or it claimed it did than any other town in the country. They were all there.

Speaker 3:

So I take this weekend workshop. I wasn't interested in things like this at all, but I had a roommate who was very scientific and nerdy and very by the book and liked his corners square and all this kind of stuff, and he came back. He had taken the same workshop like a month before and he came back from it and said Lincoln, you have to go do this, you have to do this, you're going to love it. And so I went. I took that as high praise. I went and checked it out and while I was there, the Reiki master that was to attune me she gets over my head and begins the opening process or does what she's going to do, and then she pauses and she looks at me and she says you're already open.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

And I got chills. I get chills now even thinking about it. And I said and I thought to myself that would explain some things.

Speaker 2:

I don't know that.

Speaker 3:

I knew quite what that meant, even and, and I had a wonderful workshop my hands warmed up, they knew right where to go on people's bodies, you know the energy moved. I could feel it moving through me, I could feel myself being moved by it, in service of it, and the the incredibly clear high intentions that came with Reiki and the story of Reiki's creation, you know, all resonated. And then I just kind of stuck it in my back pocket and it wasn't until maybe a couple years later I was out of college. Maybe a couple years later I was out of college and it was bugging me. So I went to school, for I got a bachelor's in psychology and I did some graduate level neuroscience and studied philosophy and music and sociology. Those are my big takeaways.

Speaker 3:

And while I was out, I think I was actually oh, I was living in Moab and I was working out in the desert, and I mean, how many of the world's great religions come from deserts where it's just you and God, goddess spirit, the great mystery. There's nothing between you and it, between you and it. And so this was chewing on me in the back of my mind, because really I hadn't been able to explain in a satisfying way to myself by any means, neuroscientific or consensus reality. You know, the world scientific worldview, the world scientific worldview, how any of that had happened. It didn't. It didn't, um, you know it. Neurochemicals alone could not explain what I was experiencing. Electromagnetism alone could not explain what I had experienced. Um, so I, I went back. I, my partner at the time, said well, doesn't he offer a level two workshop? Why don't you go do that? So I went and did that and that was where we did the distance work.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

And that my mind was just like nope, this is no, this is too far this can't be.

Speaker 3:

You know, and surely it's eye contact, it's subtle awarenesses of vasodilation in the other person, it's tiny bodily, body language cues, you know, like animals can pick up on us, like I believe. You know, that was it, that was enough. So I go into the next room at this workshop and I lay down to receive and I am out like a light workshop and I lay down to receive and I'm out like a light, dead asleep. I wake up what feels like three hours later, feeling incredible, and I jump up and I stagger out into the main room. I'm like I'm so sorry I fell asleep. I thought I had slept for hours and was missing the workshop or something like that. And they all look up and somebody's still working on me and they're like oh, you were just out 15 minutes and that was the clincher, like okay, that was extraordinary sleep.

Speaker 3:

That was beyond what's possible by any known mechanisms. That is beyond the power of suggestion for me, because I really trust my own compass above all other suggestions. I've always been that way. So this, naturally, instead of being an aha moment, it was an absolute crisis of faith that led through a lot of events, really mystical events, that were completely drug-free, feeling touched by spirits from the other side, feeling connected to the world in ways that I could not believe. But I experienced through Native American trackers and I experienced through intentional wanderings of the forest and guided experiences. And then I finally met somebody who did what now I do and they.

Speaker 3:

We tried to get together for a month, when we find, for two months, when we finally were able to, we didn't have an hour set aside for a nice session. We were able to carve out 30 minutes. We could finally get together and she stands over me and she starts breathing. 30 minutes we could finally get together and she stands over me and she starts breathing and her hands are moving and it's, you know, my left brain is my, my, my consensus brain is saying this is absurd, this is ridiculous and here we go again right here we go again and instantly I start weeping, crying, sobbing.

Speaker 3:

I feel energy move all over me. It's extraordinary. And 30 minutes later she's exhausted, has to leave. I have time to myself and I stand up and I've never felt so grounded and aligned in my life and solid and present in my body. And aligned in my life and solid and present in my body, my mind has never felt so absurdly quiet compared to the chaos of my arrival. And I'm standing there looking at a mountain overlooking aspen trees just absolutely astounding. And I said I have to know what that was. And so I went into the same four-year training program that she did. My teacher is an amazing healer named Deborah Kerbo and she was one of Barbara Brennan's early students, so it's Barbara Brennan-style work, and that really appealed to my academic, psychologically trained brain. My mother was a social worker in private practice and family counseling energy work like that match is so profound.

Speaker 2:

It's so supportive when clients are going through their own spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis or whatever it may be, just life events. When we have that kind of level of background to understand how they're interpreting the world and their life events, like we have such a better avenue to support our clients in that, along with the energy, along with the energy healing. So I just I love that, Like one that there was an energy healing school. So I've got to ask where geographically are we talking about? Cause this online schools wasn't a thing back then it was not.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so this at the time the school was called wake point school for energy healing. I still have the diploma up on my wall. It is no longer there. Um, she ran it for several years, did a number of graduating classes and, um, and then, as I recall, I think colorado became slightly unfriendly to things like this. Some legislation was passed, something like that, and she said and then moved on to LA and now lives out in the desert in Utah. You know, just still doing this amazing work, did it for me because you know, just like you're saying, this psychological self-awareness is so useful, because, uh, you know, one of the one of the core things that I experienced and learned early on is energy is information yeah, yes and so this work often gets called um.

Speaker 3:

some ways to paraphrase it are, you know, body oriented psychotherapy, or you know, in a way, it can be so somatic you know like there, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2:

We were holding stored emotion, stored trauma in our body. Allow our mind to have the awareness of what's going on. Then we can logically interpret oh, this is where the trauma or trigger came from. And now I have a choice, because it's now in my consciousness instead of in buried in my subconsciousness, and then that opens up a whole world of healing opportunity. But to change our habits and choices that we get to make right, and so I love when there's that level of understanding.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think of it all. Healing is the expansion of consciousness to some degree, and so and the Buddhists call it they say you need right understanding, and so it's really important to feed the mind good information because it will help.

Speaker 2:

It is trying to help all the time. The messes that it creates are just its best attempts to solve problems, whatever it is at the time, and so if we feed it these positives, then it can lead us in the right direction.

Speaker 2:

So you did this four year program? It wasn't Reiki, it was. What was it? What did you find the crux Like? What was the I mean it's so much of energy work can be? I mean it's so vast, vast orientation energy work. Did you find a certain modality in that that really resonated, or what? What did that look like for you? Or what did you walk away with going? This is what my sessions now incorporate.

Speaker 3:

I've never. I've never thought exactly how to answer that question. I think the thing that I most came away with was that for me, this was a supremely natural thing for me to facilitate in and with others, that it was so core to my being, my personality, my all the intentions and experiences I came into this life with where this was inescapable and the most I could do this when I'm sick. I can do this when I'm tired. There is I mean this is too much hyperbole, but there's almost nothing I can do to get in the way of this. It is so core to what I'm here to do so it gave me an enormous confidence that just when there is a person struggling who is in my vicinity, who is open to what I'm doing, then energy will flow and insight will happen and transformation will happen, because that's just as supremely natural for everyone else as it is for me.

Speaker 3:

I was just uniquely poised to arrive at a certain point in life with all of that intact, as a result of who my parents were and where I grew up, and just a thousand million things in the perfect clockwork machinations of this utterly chaotic, predestined, completely chosen life.

Speaker 2:

Well and I think that's always fun to like reflect back on is like we came in having already pre-decided that this is what was going to happen. You know, in a way, like we're going to have this profound right, in a way, right that profound experience was going to happen to lead us to this next profound experience, this next profound experience, and then you know, we also get thrown the giant curve balls of love and loss and humanness of this life here on earth, and I would really love to like explore that a bit of. I know that you've experienced tremendous loss, and also how and this could be a totally separate question but like, how did the music intertwine with it all? Right, cause I think energy healing through music is such a profound, valid experience. Like I think music in and of itself is a healing modality, and so, like I know that that is so much of your core passion too. So how's, how's that question landing?

Speaker 3:

that's great, that's a, that's a high protein question right there. Thank you. Uh, let's see, sometimes I joke that, um, I did music because I wasn't mature enough to hold down a healing practice and be responsible for arriving on time. You know, my joke as a musician is that is that line from, uh, you know Lord of the Rings, when Gandalf says a wizard arrives precisely when he means to. You know that, that's, that's true. And the show doesn't start until I'm there and I feel ready and moved to do it. And that is not how I handle clients. You know, I'm there and available and and ready to go. So I think there was some maturing that needed to happen. So I think there was some maturing that needed to happen.

Speaker 3:

I did this, you know, opened up to, you know, the healing work that I do in my early mid-twenties and I was still just playing in the world, and so music is literally playing. It's literally called playing music for all the people that take it very seriously. Remember, it's called play and it was for me. I think in hindsight it was like a spiritual tool that I would use to process through my own experiences and they were like audible journal entries where I would wrap myself around something uh, very hard things for me to hold space for and put them into lyrical form, capture them musically, so that the music felt like the thing that we were experiencing that the lyric describes, um, the whole thing, uh. And so I worked at that pretty hard, uh, for a little while. But people you know who uh, like you, would eventually find, oh, you do this other thing on the side, would become clients, and so I would always be working on people steadily, but just very small.

Speaker 3:

And it wasn't until I had kind of reached the peak of my musical success supporting a family very humbly. We lived very simply, but that suited us at the time and it still generally suits me now. And I burned out. I mean, at one point I was coming home and my wife at the time felt, you know, she's like you, were just out there having fun for a week. I need your help here and I desperately wanted to be able to. But I was tired down in the core of my bones. At one point, you know, my, I think as a result of adrenal fatigue, I had, you know, my digestion shut down and I ate food and it wasn't digesting or even processing. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry you had that blessing. Right, the adrenal fatigue followed by, like your gut just not processing anything like that is exactly my story. Developed an autoimmune like yeah, so like.

Speaker 2:

I get that, and I think so many people need to remember like this is such a great reminder, like we need to listen to our bodies and if we go, go, go, go, go and push, push, push, push, push, at some point your body is going to say stop, rest, take care of yourself, right. And so for me, my story was very much like I was in the birth world, and so I was going to these births and staying up all night and doing 48 hour shifts and like it was just a lot right On top of you know other stressors in the in your life, and then you're like I this is, this is too much. My body has got to stop and rest and then come back and go. Okay, how do I need to reorganize my life for stability?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, how old were you when you were in, when you were in that phase?

Speaker 2:

It really happened when I had my daughter, and so she is about to turn 12. And so you know it was about 12, 13 years ago when I really really was it was hitting me, but it was from like 10 years of chronic stress before that.

Speaker 1:

And like.

Speaker 2:

I think there's that that level of my personal experience of emotional abuse and toxic relationships and you know the up and downs of you know a custody battle that lasted 10 years and all of those things that were added up on top of trying to live the life of a midwife where you're up for 24 hours or up for 48 hours or longer, depending on what the situation was, and your body at some point is like I'm going to break and it does, and then you're like, okay, I've got to change my life in such a significant way because this isn't sustainable.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm. I'm so happy for you and so sorry that happened, because it's so important and it's so horrible to go through.

Speaker 2:

And we need those wake up calls. So let us know what, how that was it a wake up call for you? It?

Speaker 3:

was absolutely a wake up call. We we found a way to take a sabbatical for a year and we visited family. We spent four months in Thailand. We were just looking for a better way to live and be and we heard it was a lovely Buddhist country. It was a lovely Buddhist country, we had a fantastic experience.

Speaker 3:

And then I'm there snorkeling in um glorious, um coral, uh, and having a panic attack, just abs my system, absolutely freaking out. For all the times I pushed my energy and put myself in front of an audience and I bared my soul through songs and moved, you know, as powerful energies as I possibly could, just through those songs that I really had given myself kind of a PTSD and I realized I needed to not be leaning on performing as a living. So as soon as I came back, I started. I offered an actual healing practice, hand a hands on physical healing practice in Portland, oregon, where we were living at the time, where we had come back to, because we realized that everywhere you go is just people doing their best in their circumstance. There's no perfect place, there's no perfect person.

Speaker 3:

And we came back from this sabbatical pregnant and this was a very unique pregnancy because, let's say, with our first son. When I put my hand on his mother's belly when he was gestating, when he was in the womb, I could see his light. I could feel his presence when he was born. That's who he was. He is now about to turn 18. He's the same. He's that same presence. It has been steady throughout Our second pregnancy. When I put my hand on her belly and opened my intuitive eye to see in there, I couldn't understand what I was experiencing because I couldn't see anything. And I realized that it was because it was so blindingly bright in there. I had to look away. I could not look at it directly and I was reminded of you know biblical passages that say you have to look away from the face of God.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

And so that was kind of that was both awe-inspiring but also a little alarming. Like, okay, what's this going to be like, like a human with that much coming through them? You know, my then wife said, you know, we got to watch out for this one. He's going to be like jumping off roofs. You know, we could just feel an absolute fearlessness in this one. And then there came a day where my son, my 18-year-old then, was I want to say four in that range and we got some Chinese food and we opened the fortune cookie and it said, six months from today, your lucky star will shine and I said, oh, that's when this baby is going to be born. I knew the exact date that it was going to happen.

Speaker 2:

I love when the universe just lands so simply, obviously in your life.

Speaker 3:

If you're listening, yeah, so back to train the brain to do what you want it to do. I taught mine to stop looking out for things to be afraid of and start looking for harmonious synchronicities that are mind blowing and clear information that's coming through, and then that gets reinforced over time because the universe is constantly communicating with us. So it did through a fortune cookie, perfectly loud and clear. That was great. I kept monitoring the pregnancy and that light finally, about halfway through the pregnancy, came down to a normal level. You know looked like a normal human being. You know, looked like a normal human being. Looked like my other son, but his own unique, this baby's own unique way, and so that was reassuring.

Speaker 3:

But the marriage had always been troubled, so that was troubling. Pregnancy progressed. That light got dimmer and dimmer and darker and darker and darker until it was just black in there right before the end, right before the birth and some of you may already know, if you've read my bio, where this story goes or if you've followed me on Facebook or social. But while he was being born, our son Joseph pinched his own umbilical cord with his own hand at the last minute and came out not breathing, and we were just around the corner from uh. It was a home birth, assisted home birth.

Speaker 3:

We had a whole team there, great people, and uh, we were just around the corner from the hospital. We got over there. It was gut-wrenching. They stabilized him but there was very little activity in his cortex. He wasn't going to be a functional person and we had to decide to let his body go because any being in there had already departed. And it was at that moment that suddenly, all these events, that increasing darkness, a storm that had rolled through in the days before his birth, various events in our marriage that had been happening, that didn't make any sense at the time, intuitively and I'm used to life making somewhat some kind of nebulously cosmic sense, um and uh, when he passed, suddenly it all lined up.

Speaker 3:

Then this was meant to happen. This was coming the whole time and I was struck by so many images. His mother and I had had a very combative, very challenging marriage and it was like we were two reincarnated generals from past wars and this was the best we had ever done to genuinely love and care for each other as much as possible while inescapably conflicting with one another there was no way we couldn't.

Speaker 3:

And so he was like a foot soldier who had just sat on a grenade, for both of us in a way. And you know, members of my family are born like one of my birth family, are born like, often, one day off of a major holiday, and so baby Joseph was born one day off of Valentine's Day. So this day of love, this day of you know, it can be cliched love, but there's genuine love, even at the heart, driving such cliches as that holiday and so we let him.

Speaker 3:

When we let him go, he took his last breaths on Valentine's Day. His full name was Joseph Phoenix Crockett and we call him Joseph Phoenix or Angel Joe or JP, and we really felt like we'd been visited by an angel. In her grief, His mother grieved through generations of pain in her womb that she had carried with her and really he facilitated a healing for the whole family. And he was large, he was, you know, nine pounds. He had a bunch of hair, fingernails you know, big, old baby.

Speaker 3:

And as we shared about him, we, so many people said we, um. So many people said I lost a baby and we never talked about it. Or, um, I lost a brother or a sister when I was really young and we never mentioned their name anymore. So many people carry these griefs with us. So we, we did a benefit show, um, for an organization in portland called the dougie center that helps grieving families, and we were surrounded by so much love. You know, people answered our calls, people made sure to fund us so we could grieve fully, because it absolutely destroyed us.

Speaker 3:

And grieving is so natural that we came away really feeling blessed that we had had this experience, like incredibly lucky, we had been touched by an angel. In fact, somebody went to a faraway retreat elsewhere in the United States and went to put his name on the altar and it was already there, that's beautiful so, yeah, we all like.

Speaker 3:

something I often say is we all want to believe any one of us have has as many days left as anyone could to do what we're here to do. But not everyone needs that and so, in a way, as someone who values healing and transformation and transmutation of the hardest things in life and finding the gifts in those, it was kind of like he was showing off, he's like check out what I can do in just one day.

Speaker 2:

One day on the earth, on the earth plane. Yeah, what an incredible story and I and I so resonate with and I'm so grateful that you shared his name because I think so many people we don't ask oftentimes like we're so trained to, like let's not trigger anyone, and just asking what was their name can be such a powerful opportunity to give, give the spotlight to that individual, that soul, that that came through and I'm so. I love that you were able to be in a space where you had the time and space to grieve. So often in our culture we don't get the opportunity. We, you know there's so much of like it's too hard to look at, let's not talk about it.

Speaker 2:

And you know we see other cultures there. You know, if you go to Italy, like, their grieving process is very different than ours. Or you know, in the side, the Jewish community, they'll, they'll have a wake for a week. You know like, and typically Americans are, they shy away from the emotional process and it just gets buried in. That hurt still resides there. So do you notice, like, do you feel like it was processed or do you feel like, how, how, how was grief for you today, after being in that space?

Speaker 3:

Uh, I, that's a great question. I think of it as um in a few different ways. One I mean in in all healing processes, one way of thinking about, let's say, the common idea oneself for a long time that in a sense, forms like a battery that powers the habit of suppression. And so if you de-energize the battery by digesting, processing, integrating what's in that block or battery, or however you want to refer to it, then you end up being able to choose rather than feel forced into whatever you're going to choose in the future. So grieving is an absolutely natural healing process.

Speaker 3:

Grief is a really low state of energy. You know it's down near apathy. You collapse, you can't do anything. But you have to grieve in order to let go of what will never be. Our son at the time was a shining example of this, and when he realized that Joseph wasn't going to ever come home with us He'd been looking forward to a little baby he wailed and wailed, absolutely gut-wrenching, for about a minute, minute and a half and at the end you know the way a kid does just breathed and was present again and just ready to, you know, do the things that he normally did. And a few days later you know, a week later, when people were still coming to us to talk and share and listen and hear, he came up and he just very gently touched my knee and quietly said why are we still talking about this? Like he had complete, he was he's curious, he wasn't shaming or anything you know, because he had completely grieved.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

You know it was gone. He was ready to accept the new future, which is much harder for us as adults and as parents, and so but I also think of it as let me see so. I think of it as that we always will maintain a connection and a love for those people, those spirits, those energies that have been a part of our lives. We even have to we're silly we even have to grieve painful things that were bad situations or bad relationships as we head into a new one. We have to grieve.

Speaker 3:

Grieve, like grief is a universal change process and I know for me and for people that I work with, very often like the final element of grief is that feeling of oh we paraphrase it as this all happened for a reason or this had a purpose. It's just kind of a knowing in your bones or a feeling in your soul. Somehow, um, you can't force yourself to get there, especially in cases of abuse and trauma. Um, no, I mean um. The weak and the vulnerable need to be protected from the strong and the abusive, even if, after having experienced abuse, you will, by incompleting your healing process, come to be grateful for the thing that happened, come to forgive your attacker, come to have insight into how you are like them, and you know what an amazing gift that now you have this increased power and awareness. You know you cannot force that to happen and so, and in the cases of death and loss, you will always I believe that you will always love the people who are gone, and so that's always a tender place, and so it is a tender place, but it's a grateful tender place, you know, as for a child, in my case, for a parent, for those who've lost parents, for siblings, for lovers, for anyone that you've lost, whether to death or just time and distance and change. So I'm at that place where I feel the purpose and the gratitude and the beauty and also the tenderness.

Speaker 3:

My now wife and I were just watching TV last night and a character in a Marvel program had lost a baby and was carrying a locket of their hair and we have a locket of Joseph's hair and I just I wept just seeing that. But that's comfortable, that's how you keep love flowing. You keep that channel flowing. You don't want that to get blocked up. If you can't openly weep right where you are, as I'm grateful I can, with my wife and in the safety of my own home. Just be sure to come back to it later, because it will need to be grieved.

Speaker 3:

You don't want that to get stuck in there. I think a final moment for me in the healing process was I was visiting with some friends along the Columbia River. I took a moment to myself down by the river and I felt bereft. It was the first time I'd come out to be around other people and we were playing music together and I felt bereft and lost and alone in this gaping wound of loss and I just cried out to God. I said I need to see your face, I need to not feel alone in this. And you know my eyes are filled with tears and I'm looking at the water and at that very moment, in all of the places I could have been looking at that moment, the place where my gaze had simply fallen, a seal did a giant jump and a pirouette and splashed down. I never saw it again. It was like the universe saying we're here.

Speaker 3:

I'm all things, you are all things, we are all things.

Speaker 2:

And we're everywhere yeah.

Speaker 3:

One way I often said it was that the amount that I grieved my distance from Joseph was the amount that the universe grieved my distance from it, from the great wholeness that was there.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love that reflection and I feel like that's kind of probably one of my favorite ways to interpret life of like, what am I experiencing and how is that being reflected in my external experience?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, the universe is such a mirror.

Speaker 2:

It is.

Speaker 3:

It is, and how often do we get a pause and have such a profound aha moment, in that it's one of the gifts of loss, yeah, that you will feel your heart and the preciousness of I mean His death brought us, as deaths do, brought us closer to all the people who loved us. You know, the people who are your true friends and who can really be there, they show up, and the people who can't stay away. And that was beautiful to know who those people were and we remain closer to this day, yeah, so, yeah, those gifts.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much for sharing the story of Joseph Phoenix. I so appreciate your vulnerability that you're sharing with us and I'm curious how, since that point in time, how your healing work has changed or modified, or did it just become deeper? Like what was that moving forward for you?

Speaker 3:

Well, I, I came to a choice with my marriage several years later, not as a result of Joseph. We worked incredibly hard on our marriage and we you know, I I have not. I'm open to anyone who wants to communicate with me. I don't know anyone who saw more healers, more counselors did more, and I always told her, when we were in fights or anything, I said I will never divorce you out of hate, I will only ever do it out of love. And we got to a point where we really could see how to meet each one another's needs, but that we weren't going to have our needs met so shorthand. I knew how to meet her needs, but that was not me. It was beyond even finding new parts of me or stepping into discomfort and expanding my experience of myself. It was way beyond that. What she needed was a different person, and we could.

Speaker 3:

We're both very spiritually inclined, energetically sensitive people. We could make it work spectacularly, but it's work and there's a reason that the standard model is you know, you can kind of hack at something eight hours a day, but it had better work when you're tired. It had better work when you can't keep going. It had better work for your imperfect personality as well as your most perfect offerings to the world. And so if I was going to stay in that marriage, I was not going to be able to do healing work because it all went into this one person and we weren't even happy. So that was wrong.

Speaker 3:

And so I felt really, we felt really guided, that love guided us to divorce and that we were to be really supportive with one another. In fact, I ended up renting a house just catty corner over the back fence, so the child and the dog could just hop back and forth every few days when he was young and every week as he got older, and then I eventually was able to build a house just 100 yards through the woods around the corner. And you know, there's so much more to tell there. That was hard work, but good work. There's so much more to tell there. That was hard work, but good work but in terms of my practice that allowed me the energy to be able to take clients again.

Speaker 3:

And going back to my first experiences with distance Reiki, distance really works for me. I've always been a good phone talker. I can connect to somebody, I can feel them calling, I know who's going to be on the other end of the line.

Speaker 1:

I have my own spam telemarketer filter built in like, yep, that's nothing.

Speaker 3:

I don't even need to pick that one up. I can tell Imperfectly, but it happens often. And so, uh, I more purposefully offered distance work and especially when COVID hit, um, uh, that was a time when I started doing groups and took on even more clients, because people were at home, they needed healing, they needed help and support and uh, uh, so, in terms of being able to offer healing, they needed help and support. And so, in terms of being able to offer healing, that was a great opportunity. So that's kind of where the healing practice went.

Speaker 3:

It just steadily grew and I knew I didn't want to return to professional full-time music. That's not a lifestyle, you're a tourt. I don't know how many people know this, but the actual work of a professional touring musician is travel, and then you get to spend a little bit of time every evening making, hopefully, music that you really enjoy, which I was fortunate to do, but absolutely exhausting. I met people higher up the success chain who you know were never home for their family's birthdays. They holidays regularly. That's not the qualities in me that make me good at music.

Speaker 3:

Uh, are better expressed in other ways yes, yeah and I think of art as just any kind of art is an expression of those greater qualities that are part of being human. That sort of the average world that we've collectively developed around us doesn't necessarily require. You can have massive success in this modern world without using your heart. You know your fourth chakra without speaking truth. You know your fifth chakra without experiencing any joy or wonder. You know your sixth without feeling a great spiritual connection to all things. You're seventh, but if you can just get one, two and three mostly working, you can succeed in this world, and so we need all these other outlets.

Speaker 3:

This is one of mine yeah um that I get to express, and it's also fun because, as you said, these are alternative paths as healers. So we, um, uh, we often, uh, we have to find our own way and uh, as a musician, I can say to somebody oh yeah, I'm a musician and there's a place card for that in their head there's's like an archetype.

Speaker 2:

There's an archetype.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm a musician. That's a thing. I'm familiar with the musicians They've been on MTV, they've been on radio. Many of them are famous. So there's a comfort zone with that, even when most people actually have no idea what that means, and it's just like saying you're a healer. That could mean so many things of modalities and approaches and locations and practices and so forth. So um, so, uh. So healing has. So music has continued to be kind of an ambassador, because it's such a joy for me and it's a place where a lot of sensitive, intuitive, thoughtful, compassionate people especially just as I was guided healing, I've been guided slowly into singer-songwriter-ing, whatever you might call that and the kinds of people who gravitate into that genre, what gets called that genre, all these different kinds of music are really, like I said, thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent, articulate people who, like me, love to talk. So thank you for asking these great questions and letting me answer them.

Speaker 3:

So, these days I just travel a little bit a couple times a year in a great acoustic trio. We just did a run last week and then I'm full time with clients and my group, all virtual, all right here in this office, in this house that I built with my own hands. Uh, it's amazing.

Speaker 2:

I love that for you. Well, and I feel like I have such a similar story, in a way of like of the. I was divorced a year and a quarter ago and it was also like a really conscious uncoupling that it just wasn't going to work. I loved him, I still love him, and it just wasn't wasn't going to happen. And so that that separation process and then having my daughter live like four houses down in a co-housing community where she just runs back and forth, right, and so I'm seeing like perfect.

Speaker 2:

And such a beautiful thing when you can actually co-housing community, where she just runs back and forth, right, and so I'm seeing like perfect. It's such a beautiful thing when you can actually co-parent and the child has that fluidity between the two households. Like I'm so ever grateful for this opportunity of collaboration and her care and and and raising her and and then seeing where it's like okay and then seeing where it's like okay. That opportunity of uncoupling led me to. I can take my business bigger and in a different direction and I can grow it in a way that I couldn't in the marriage. Like I felt like there was a glass ceiling because of the marriage that didn't allow the full expansion of who I am and what I could offer to the world. And by taking that glass ceiling away, it was like, oh, I'm so going to rebrand and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to create more of these opportunities and programs and offerings and it's all like 95% of what I do is behind a camera and on zoom and I love it.

Speaker 2:

I feel like I light up in this space. I love doing this podcast. It makes me feel like I have this opportunity to be my full, authentic self and and really shine my light on the world and so I just I love when I see how you know, yeah, it was hard. Like divorce is hard, regardless of who you are and what point you are in your parenting world or in your marriage or whatever it may be, but it's, it can be hard, but that's why we came to this earth. Like I love that. Like you can still look at relationships and like there's no perfect place and there's no perfect person and life is, is is that experiences of the ups and downs and where can we celebrate and where can we be joyful and where can we experience the fullness as well? Right, like, yeah, I love that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah, I guess a brother-in-law of mine passed away recently and he had these t-shirts made that said there is no strength without struggle. And you know, as a young man I hated, you know, toxic masculine phrases like that, like if it doesn't kill you, it just makes you stronger.

Speaker 3:

No, sometimes it scarves you for life and makes you weaker. I mean, this is absurd. And if you're blocking your feelings, suddenly you're open to manipulation by people who aren't afraid of what you're afraid of. Blah, blah, blah, blah all this garbage. But it is true, energetically we are not perfect beings. We always miss something, that something will challenge us to integrate it. In that challenge, we will flex our energy field, our spiritual, personal and physical, in many cases to muscles. We will take a journey, sometimes an actual physical journey that we take, and it's all to come closer to that universe, that, uh, that wants us closer to it. It's, it's completely natural. And just to come, you know, full circle to reiki. Um, you know, with clients, I do the work that I do, but reiki is what I do on myself and my family and my pets. Um, because you can't practice psychotherapy on your own family, right, the transference, the counter transference, all the different stuff that you have to be tracking. My family is who I am least likely to be clear on.

Speaker 2:

Exactly.

Speaker 3:

Because they are the souls that we're in the trenches together.

Speaker 2:

Exactly.

Speaker 3:

So it's when there's a healthy distance and a healthy separation that we can hold that space for others. So Reiki is still, you know, what I bring to those nearest and dearest to me.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I love that. I love that. Well, thank you so much for sharing your story and really all of these beautiful aha moments along the way. I'm wondering if there's any other messages that you would love for our audience to take away with.

Speaker 3:

The ones that have been with me recently are, for a while now, just that our calamities and our challenges are massive gifts coming through, and that one's somewhat well understood, I think. Another one is that nothing dark or negative survives without being a distortion of something light, dark and light as opposites. That only exists in this world, where you can have photons or not photons, where you can have light or not light. In the fabric of the universe, everything is what we colloquially I wish there was a better word we colloquially, we call it all all light, light workers and so forth. Everything is made of this one fabric that is light.

Speaker 3:

Even dark things, even negative things, are made of light, and so the job, um, one of the uh mistakes that we often address, that I'm often addressing with clients and with members of my group, is that, in three dimensions, if you want to get rid of something, you get rid of it, you throw it in the trash, you push it away, you send it down the river or whatever.

Speaker 3:

In energy, if you want to get rid of something, you transmute it, you draw it closer to yourself, you receive its gifts, its insights, its pieces of you that have been obscured and become more whole Consciousness doesn't expand just in beauty, it just expands and it includes darkness as well, so that you can make really truly empowered choices. So take that as something heartening that nothing dark or negative survives without simply being a distortion of something light and true. And when you can find, when you can work through that shadow or be present to that pain, you will find the light that is in the center of it and it's enormously healing and it's trying to happen all the time. I often tell people, if they never found me, everything they need is already trying to happen to them and I'm just here to facilitate it happening faster and easier.

Speaker 2:

Beautiful.

Speaker 3:

Beautiful.

Speaker 2:

So good to get to talk to you this way, absolutely, and I feel like that, right there is why we call this wisdom rising, so thank you so much for that. Now, if we have people in our audience who want to connect with you, or do you have a program that you're offering Like what's the best way people can reach out?

Speaker 3:

The simplest thing is just to go to linkincrockettcom and it's just a scruffy picture of me in front of my house. It's like a business card and there's a link to my calendar. Every week I do free calls with people. They're about a half hour long and no charge. There's an energy pun waiting to happen in there. There's a charge. There's just no charge, but there's a lot of charge.

Speaker 3:

Anyway, it can be very healing for people in and of itself and if it's appropriate to work together, we can. And I also have a group which is mostly made up of previous clients assembling quite a archive of previous calls. I'm also developing a growing library of teachings and healings so that people can have them between the calls, and I give people lifetime access to this because you know, with a membership, you pop in and out. I want people to have access to this. Once you're a member, you have these when you need them. Five years from now, you have these when you need them. Five years from now, you have these when you need them.

Speaker 3:

Out beyond that, and I make my pricing accessible to all people who pay more for the group or for work with me. Individual sessions with me help support those who can pay less, and so I do low cost and pro bono sessions as often as I'm able to for people, and I trust that I'm here to support my family as well, and so there's an ecosystem of healing that helps do that. So the best thing is just get on my calendar and let's talk, and I'd love to hear what's on your plate and see how I can help.

Speaker 2:

Beautiful. I love it. We'll put that information in the show notes, so know that you can just click that button, find the website, click right over to it and I just want to say thank you so much, lincoln, for being on with us today, and until next time may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom from within.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much. Thanks for tuning in to today's show, the whispers of wisdom from within. Thank you so much. First to know when we release a new episode, you can find us on Instagram, facebook, youtube and TikTok at Moon Rising Institute, or visit our website moonrisinginstitutecom to learn more about our mission and find future opportunities to connect with our community of shamanic mystics. Once again, thank you for sharing space with us today and until next time, may you awaken to the whispers of wisdom rising from within.